<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 17 Aug 2024, 09:36 Quirin Schroll via Digitalmars-d, <<a href="mailto:digitalmars-d@puremagic.com">digitalmars-d@puremagic.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday, 13 August 2024 at 04:23:15 UTC, Manu wrote:<br>
> So this preview has been available for more than 5 years.<br>
> Andrei did a keynote on it, and that seemed generally well <br>
> received (if not<br>
> a little tepid, because not so many people care about this).<br>
> All the code I've written in the last 5 years doesn't work <br>
> without this.<br>
> I have exercised this pretty extensively in whatever flavour of <br>
> code it is<br>
> that I tend to write, and never had any problem. It works like <br>
> it's meant<br>
> to.<br>
> I would severely struggle to return to a D without it.<br>
><br>
> Can we un-preview this now?<br>
<br>
Can we please remove it? It's a silent breaking change as it <br>
changes the semantics of every function that has `ref` parameters <br>
with the implicit or explicit understanding that it can't take <br>
rvalues. Add `@universal ref`. It's a pure addition and wouldn't <br>
break code. Manu and others could just search and replace `ref` <br>
by `@universal ref` and be happy. Changing `ref` to make it take <br>
rvalues never was a good idea.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Remove it? What harm has it caused you?</div><div dir="auto">You'll need to substantiate these claims? You're wrong on all accounts by my experience and reckoning.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I've been using it for 5 years and all my code would fail without it, several others at the top of this thread also said the same thing. I have never experienced an issue or anything related to it that caused something like "silent breakage".</div><div dir="auto">I exercise the language pretty intensely, more so than most.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think you need to present a rock solid case to invalidate half a decade of several people's work, and you'll have to do better then "I don't care for that in theory", or "the idea kind-of makes me nervous despite never having turned the flag on and having literally no experience with it one way or the other"...</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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