[phobos] Problem with definition of isInfinite(Range)

Jonathan M Davis jmdavisprog at gmail.com
Mon Sep 6 16:06:23 PDT 2010


On Sunday 05 September 2010 17:58:16 Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> Okay. If I understand correctly, as it stands, a range type is either
> infinite or its not, and it's known at compile-time whether it's infinite
> or not. This appears to be done by checking for a static property empty of
> type bool which is known at compile-time. The question is do we _need_ to
> know at compile-time whether a range is infinite? Or it would it be
> possible to make it so that that can be determined at runtime?
> 
> My guess is that the algorithms that care need to know at compile-time, but
> if that's the case, it poses a definite problem for me.
> 
> I have been working on a date/time module for potential inclusion in
> Phobos. Part of that includes a time interval which represents a period of
> time starting at one point of time and extending to another point of time
> which is not included in the interval. So, for example [2010-07-04 -
> 2010-08-03). I'm working on creating ranges to iterate over a time
> interval. The problem is that an interval can be infinite, but you don't
> know at compile time whether it's infinite. You could have an interval
> such as [2010-07-04 - positive infinity), and a range over that interval
> would be infinite. However, whether a given interval (and thus its range)
> is infinite depends on the runtime arguments that created the interval.
> So, I have no way of creating an infinite range for which
> isInfinite(Range) will return true.
> 
> Would it be reasonable to make it possible to have infinite ranges which
> were determined to be infinite at runtime rather than compile-time? Or is
> there a better solution? Or is it simply tough luck, and the range may be
> effectively infinite but can't be treated that way by algorithms using
> isInfinite(Range)?
> 
> - Jonathan M Davis

It seems to me that a particularly large problem will be walkLength(). Thanks to 
its upTo parameter, it won't result in an infinite loop, and odds are that the 
values that the range is producing will overflow, wrap around, and end up 
throwing an exception before upTo is hit, but still, you're going to end up with 
it looping until it blows up when if there were some standard way to indicate at 
runtime that the range was infinite, then walkLength() could throw up front. I 
can see why ideally it would be known at compile-time whether a range were 
infinite or not (e.g. presumably walkLength's template constraints won't allow it 
to be called with a range type for which isInfinite(Range) is true), but it's 
pretty easy to have infinite ranges which can't be known at compile-time. At the 
moment, I'm just putting an isInfinite() on the range itself, and the programmer 
can worry about it, but I expect that it wouldn't be that hard for them to try 
and use an algorithm in std.algorithm which called walkLength() without them 
knowing it.

- Jonathan M Davis


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