[Robotgroup] OT: On CNN- "Commodore 64 still loved after all theseyears"

Fri Dec 7 15:07:20 PST 2007

Yeah I have studied that era quite extensively watching old film footage,
watching documentaries, reading books, etc. It is one of my favorite eras
to study.

Off the top of my head "Accidental Empires" by Robert X Cringely and
"Revolution in the Valley" by Andy Hertzfeld are two that are great books
about the time. I have probably read the articles on Andy's site (
folklore.org ) several times over.

Kevin

On Fri, December 7, 2007 12:28 pm, Eric Lundquist wrote:
> My recommended list for descriptions of those glory days:
>
> 1) "Pirates of Silicon Valley" - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/
> Made for tv docudrama telling the sordid tale of Gates, Jobs and Wozniak.
>
> 2) "Soul of a New Machine" by Tracy Kidder -
> http://www.amazon.com/Soul-New-Machine-Tracy-Kidder/dp/0316491977/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197051760&sr=8-1
> An inside look at the creation of a mini computer.
>
> 3) "Cookoo's Egg" by Cliff Stohl -
> http://www.amazon.com/Cuckoos-Egg-Tracking-Computer-Espionage/dp/0743411463
> Tracking a Russian Spy ring for the heck of it.
>
> - Eric
>
>
>
> On 12/7/07, Andre Lamothe <ceo at nurve.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yup, the C64 was very cool, just don't walk across the carpet and touch
>> the
>> sound port, the SID chips blow out if you breath on them. Nonetheless,
>> the
>> late 70's and 80's were the best time in computers hands down. I
>> personally
>> think internet wrecked computers, it made them so impersonal and people
>> don't take time with information anymore, they just consume it way too
>> fast.
>> We had time to appreciate a new game or app in the 80's. Anyway, that's
>> why
>> I build these retro gaming systems like the XGamestation and HYDRA to
>> give
>> people a little taste of what we used to do in the 80's.
>>
>> For those interested in retro computing (and may be younger than some of
>> us
>> that started in the 70's) there are a couple books I HIGHLY recommend
>> that
>> you won't be able to put down:
>>
>> 1. HACKERS - by Steve Levy.
>> 2. On the Edge, the spectacular rise and fall of commodore
>> 3. "MASTERS of DOOM" - More modern, but still about the 2 guys that
>> started
>> programming games in the late 70's on their Apple's.
>>
>> I read all of them cover to cover in a single night (not the same night
>> of
>> course), they were that fascinating.
>>
>> Andre'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Vern Graner" <vern at txis.com>
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>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:13 AM
>> Subject: [Robotgroup] OT: On CNN- "Commodore 64 still loved after all
>> theseyears"
>>
>>
>> From this link:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/12/07/c64/index.html
>>
>> Comes this article:
>>
>> -------------------------- CLIP ----------------------------
>> By Peggy Mihelich
>> CNN
>>
>> (CNN) -- Like a first love or a first car, a first computer can hold a
>> special place in people's hearts. For millions of kids who grew up in
>> the 1980s, that first computer was the Commodore 64. Twenty-five years
>> later, that first brush with computer addiction is as strong as ever.
>>
>> "There was something magical about the C64," says Andreas Wallstrom of
>> Stockholm, Sweden.
>>
>> He remembers the day he first laid eyes on his machine back in 1984.
>>
>> "My father brought it home together with a tape deck, a disk drive, a
>> printer, and a couple of games...I used to sneak home during lunch to
>> play [on it] with my friends."
>>
>> Wallstrom is the webmaster and designer for C64.com, a Web site
>> dedicated to preserving the games, demos, pictures, magazines and
>> memories of the Commodore 64.
>>
>> C64.com visitors are mostly nostalgia seekers -- men in their 30s
>> looking to download their favorite childhood games. Emulators let them
>> play the games without having a machine. Popular downloads include
>> "Boulder Dash," "Ghostbusters," and "The Great Giana Sisters."
>>
>> "It may have not been the most sophisticated computer, but it did have a
>> lot of personality and it was lovable and remains loveable," said Harry
>> McCracken, vice president and editor in chief of PC World.
>>
>> Often overshadowed by the Apple II and Atari 800, the Commodore 64 rose
>> to great heights in the 1980s. From 1982-1993, 17 million C64s were
>> sold. The Guinness Book of World Records lists the Commodore 64 as the
>> best-selling single computer model.
>>
>> The computer featured 64 kilobytes of memory (a lot for 1982), a huge
>> index of games, a sophisticated sound chip, and a relatively
>> parent-friendly price -- $595.
>>
>> On Monday, the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California,
>> will celebrate the C64's 25th anniversary. Computer pioneers will
>> reflect on the C64's achievements and contribution to the industry. Jack
>> Tramiel, the founder and CEO of Commodore, will attend, along with Apple
>> co-founder Steve Wozniak and William C. Lowe, father of the IBM PC.
>>
>> "It was the right machine for the time," said McCracken. "The Commodore
>> 64 did a lot to popularize computers." Sold in shopping malls and
>> discount stores and not just small computer stores -- the norm for the
>> time -- the C64 became many people's gateway into the world of
>> computers, said Brian Bagnall, author of "On the edge: The spectacular
>> rise and fall of Commodore."
>>
>> "It was so new," Bagnall said. Users could play many games and also
>> learn the programming language of computers -- BASIC.
>>
>> Jim Park, 39, a software developer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, got his
>> start on a C64 in 1984 when he was 16. Park learned to program
>> motion-graphics synchronized to dance music and ran a BBS, an electronic
>> bulletin board system, the precursor to the Internet. "I really lucked
>> out that something so obscure and nerdy has turned into the modern
>> business and pop-culture phenomenon that it has," he said.
>>
>> Wallstrom said it was the simplicity of the C64 that made it so great.
>> "You switched it on and it was there, ready for input in a second.
>> Programming on the C64 was straightforward because you got to command
>> the processor directly. You had full control of the whole
>> computer...that is something you don't have with any modern PC."
>>
>> Still, the C64 had an uneven reputation. It was widely considered
>> clunky, its BASIC outdated and graphics weak in comparison to the Apple
>> II and Atari 800, according to McCracken. And then there was the quirky
>> floppy drive. "It was pitifully slow," Bagnall said. "It was big and
>> noisy. It sounded like a Gatling gun when it was trying to load stuff."
>>
>> The floppy drive took so long to load, the music would play before the
>> game did, recalls Rob Kramer, artistic & business director of
>> Productiehuis ON, a production company based in the Netherlands. "These
>> tunes would get stuck in your head," he said.
>>
>> In 2006 Kramer came up with the idea of having an orchestra play the
>> music from the games. "We found this crazy orchestra that plays on the
>> street. It's full of young people in music school. They are in their 20s
>> and they'd never played a Commodore 64. For them it was like 'Wow, this
>> is great stuff.' "
>>
>> The 12-piece C64 Orchestra has played at churches, musical venues and
>> festivals. The compositions run 4-6 minutes. The crowds are mostly fans
>> of the C64. "They really dig it," Kramer said. Photo Watch how
>> I-Reporters are using the C64 today »
>>
>> Kramer described the music as haunted. "There's a lot of tension, and it
>> repeats itself. It takes you places where normal classical music
>> doesn't." Video Watch as the orchestra plays »
>>
>> The classical ensemble released a CD in Europe featuring the original
>> computer and orchestral versions of "Delta," "Commando," Monty on the
>> Run," "International Karate" and more. The CD will be available in the
>> United States on January 15.
>>
>> By 2007 computing standards, the Commodore 64 is a dinosaur. A relic of
>> the past, long made obsolete by the march of time. But the C64 isn't
>> dead. It's very much alive -- on gaming Web sites, through music and in
>> the memories of millions who owned and loved them.
>>
>> "Computer nostalgia is something that runs pretty deep these days. The
>> memories that people have of this machine are incredible," McCracken
>> said.
>>
>> Twenty-five years ago computers were an individual experience; today
>> they are just a commodity, he said.
>>
>> "I don't think there are many computers today that we use that people
>> will be talking about fondly 25 years from now."
>> -------------------------- CLIP ----------------------------
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Vern
>>
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