[Robotgroup] advice needed: soldering Piezo disks

[Paul Atkinson]

Mike,

Just noticed this instructable where they soldered wires right to the
piezo element, FWIW.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Musical-Greeting-Card/

Also, a while back we discussed some type of microscope that used a
piezo as the transducer. I have mistakenly called it a scanning
electron microscope, but that is not correct. In any case, I recall
there was a description of modifying the piezo element and then
attaching wires to the new piezo segments. If either of us can recall
the URL, that might lead to some practical information.

Found it, scanning tunneling microscope, used conductive silver paint.

http://www.geocities.com/spm_stm/disk_scanner.html
http://www.geocities.com/spm_stm/Project.html

Paul

On Nov 17, 2007 7:31 PM, Andre Lamothe <ceo at nurve.net> wrote:
> When I was a teenager we used to build hot rod cards (in the 80's), and one
> of my favorite things to do after wrenching on the cars all day was go on an
> old road and open the door a bit and drag a crowbar on the ground, it put
> off so many sparks it lit up the sky, lots of fun. Of course, its very
> dangerous and you have to be very careful not to let loose of it or let it
> get caught by the rear tire, otherwise bad things could happen.
>
> Andre'
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Def Egge" <robodigest at innervate.com>
> To: "The Robot Group Mailing List" <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Robotgroup] advice needed: soldering Piezo disks
>
>
> At 18:41  2007-11-17, you wrote:
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>
>  >Another way to connect things for example when trying to solder to
>  >batteries
>  >etc. is to weld the connections. You build a high voltage source
> and
>  >then
>  >discharge it across the leads. I have used it for battery
> connections
>  >
>  >before, kinda cool. For example, here's a company that makes little
>
>  >hobby
>  >welders. But, a good technique to use when you just cant solder
>  >something.
>  >
>  >http://www.hobbyspotwelders.com/HSBATTERYPEN.php
>  >
>  >http://www.hobbyspotwelders.com/basics.php
>  >
>  >This wouldn't work in your case unless you wanted to weld the brass
>
>  >parts,
>  >but its definitely worth storing in your mental ram for a rainy
> day.
>  >
>  >Andre'
>  >
>  >----- Original Message -----
>  >From: "Def Egge" <robodigest at innervate.com>
>  >To: "The Robot Group Mailing List" <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
>  >Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:30 PM
>  >Subject: Re: [Robotgroup] advice needed: soldering Piezo disks
>  >
>  >
>  >At 00:05  2007-11-17, you wrote:
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>  >
>  > >Hmmm, in general, you want to do it quickly and get the solder
>  >to >flow fast, so tin the lead itself, put some flux on the surface
>  >and >then wet the solder tip with solder and then solder it down
>  >dead >center. That usually works pretty well.
>  > >
>  > >Andre'
>  > >
>  > >----- Original Message -----
>  > >From: "Def Egge" <robodigest at innervate.com>
>  > >To: "The Robot Group" <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
>  > >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:43 PM
>  > >Subject: [Robotgroup] advice needed: soldering Piezo disks
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >Has anyone had experience in soldering leads to piezo elements
>  > >(crystal layer with brass backing)?
>  > >
>  > >Soldering a lead to the brass seems pretty straightforward.  Any
>  >tips
>  > >on soldering the other lead to the piezo crystal layer
> itself?  The
>  > >crystal layer appears to be epoxied to the brass backing
>  >plate.  How
>  > >likely is that to be damaged?
>  > >
>  > >I have examined pre-soldered piezo elements but I cannot tell
> what
>  > >preparation was made to the crystal layer before soldering the
> lead
>  > >to it.
>  > >
>  > >Thanks for any tips y'all might offer.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >--
>  > >
>  > >All the best....
>  > >
>  > >Mike
>  > >
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>  >
>  >Sounds like the advice I got years ago when learning to solder ...
>  >work hot, work fast, use flux.
>  >
>  >Thanks, Andre'!
>  >
>  >
>  >--
>  >
>  >All the best....
>  >
>  >Mike
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>
> Thanks for that tip, too.  I frequently see lithium coin cells with
> spot-welded tabs.  Soldering would be taking a big chance.
>
> Ah, the memories ... spot-welding metal-wire racks and sheet-metal
> panels in a factory ... my first industrial job!
>
> The boss (a$$hole) had a favorite place to stand while he showed
> visitors around or chewed out the employees.  I discovered that, if I
> used an oil can kept hidden under my welder, I could consistently
> shower that distant spot with droplets of molten metal.  ;-)  Nearly
> 35 years later, I remember the pleasure felt in irritating that
> cheapskate, dishonest S.o.B. ... and it brings a smile to my face all
> over again.
>
>
> --
>
> All the best....
>
> Mike
>
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