[Robotgroup] Toe Sensors (was Robotic Accomplishments)

[Leslie Filip]

Vern,

You might want to take some time out of your busy schedule and do  
some reading about the issues of control and abuse, a couple of areas  
I unfortunately have some direct experience with. When the abused  
gives feedback, it can result in the abuser gaining more control and  
dishing out more abuse. Sorry to have to disagree with you once again.

Les


On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Vern Graner wrote:

> Leslie Filip wrote:
>> I can't think of any way to say what went down or when the event(s)
>> happened without someone figuring it out.
>
> And this would be a bad thing HOW? Examining the results of a process,
> discovering the flaws, and designing a new method of proceeding is one
> of the things we do BEST!
>
> If I step on someone's toes, and they say "ouch!", such feedback  
> allows
> me to 1) identify the location of said toes 2) alter my path to avoid
> them in the future or 3) ask them to move said toes from my path.
>
> No feedback, no correction.
>
> Oh, and big toes around lots of motion makes the necessity of feedback
> *essential* in avoiding damage! If someone places their proverbial
> "toes" into a high traffic area, and then remains *silent* when  
> they're
> stepped on, they are akin to a FAILED SENSOR.
>
> In fact, giving feedback to a person who is NOT responsible, is  
> akin to
> a mis-wired sensor (another failure state) and can result in spurious
> interrupts. :)
>
> Lets take this analogy a bit further, when a mis-wired sensor provides
> feedback to the wrong subsystem, and that subsystem then notifies the
> main system with a generic or vague error report, it makes it VERY
> difficult to troubleshoot (i.e. we know *something* is wrong, but we
> don't know what or how).
>
> In this case, the normal reaction to this error condition is to query
> the reporting subsystem for details so the problem can be corrected.
> Again, no useful feedback, no correction.
>
> So, using my original analogy, if someone decides to walk with us, and
> for whatever reason they get some toe damage w/o reporting it, then I
> suggest they remove their toes from the area so as to avoid future  
> damage.
>
> Or just say "ouch" for pity's sake! We'll take <pun>steps</pun> to fix
> things! :)
>
> Oh, and if you don't say ouch for yourself, then at LEAST say it  
> for the
> rest of us as those of us walking forward here would prefer to trod on
> level ground.
>
> Big toes make for rough terrain. ;)
>
> Vern
>
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