[Robotgroup] [Fwd: Manchaca Optimist Festival, May 3rd]

Fri Apr 18 11:17:56 PDT 2008

I hardly call making a joke "spreading false" information, if I was writing 
a serious blog that millions read, that was be a "slightly" different story 
(and I would make citations, etc.), but its my opinion and humor is a tool 
used to shed light on truths in many cases by making a "joke" of it. Unless 
you're one of the founders of apple and were there during all these early 
moments then you don't know what the truth is. The bottom line is apple 
touted all these PARC technologies as if THEY invented them, which they did 
NOT, period. In the supposed 3 day "access pass" apple got at parc and the 
remuneration apple paid to parc for them, who knows really. But, the main 
point is that these technologies were invented by scientists at PARC, not 
apple, what apple licensed, borrowed, we will never know. But, apple 
definitely acted as if they invented it. Also, xerox filed a copyright 
infringement suit agasint APPLE, yes, that's right, for lifting the GUI, but 
due to the timeframe, no one understood about software copyrights at the 
time and it was hard to prosecute and was dropped, the point is xerox and 
apple's relationship and exaclty what xerox said "sure take, we don't care" 
is nebulous as best, but considering a lawsuit was filed against apple after 
apple released the lisa/mac (I can't remember which exactly), seems xerox 
didn't exactly "license" or give all this stuff  away to apple.

Moreover, considering the number of pending copyright and patent 
infringements apple is currently in, not to mention the number of out of 
courst settlements, apple surely isn't above borrowing technology or 
stealing it directly, the court records show this. The lisa and mac were a 
direct result of visiting PARC, that was a result of research done by years 
by PARC, and SRI, additionally Engelbarts original work, the point is that 
NO ONE new about this, and still don't. These people that did the research, 
made the breakthrus, had their work given away more or less and the xerox 
Star and alto, and other early computers with advanced windowing and 
networking that inspired the lisa, mac, and windows of course got no 
credit -- that definitely sucks.

In closing, making a harmless joke 30 years old is hardly "spreading false" 
information to a handful of robotgroup members which I am sure have their 
own opinion as well. Maybe this discussion will cause them to google 
information, read a book, and decide for themselves, maybe it will 
re-enforce there love or hate for apple, maybe it will make them click 
delete. But, if they didn't know about the Star, Alto, the xerox lawsuit 
against apple, now they do, and that's a good thing!

I call questioning reality, and that's how we learn. Prove me wrong if you 
dare! ;)

And that's all I have to say about that.

Andre'

and that's your opinion that the information was licensed, I have another 
one.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie Filip" <lfilip at mac.com>
To: "The Robot Group Mailing List" <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Robotgroup] [Fwd: Manchaca Optimist Festival, May 3rd]

The Xerox stuff was fully licensed, so I don't get the joke. My main
point is that spreading false information about any company is not
helpful, regardless of the delivery mechanism. I'll leave it at that.

Les

On 17 Apr 2008, at 10:39 PM, Andre Lamothe wrote:

> That's just it, a halfhearted joke, a reference to PARC, but
> everyone always
> thinks Microsoft is so evil, but Apple has done its share of
> appropriation
> of technology, not the Apple 1/2 that was 100% woz's work but mac
> of course,
> and many other things. But, I have no alligiance to any of them, I
> have a PC
> running windows, another running linux and another Mac. And I am
> happy to
> say when you actually develop code on mac they are just as bug
> ridden, lock
> up and don't work just like windows, in fact my new mac is stuck in
> upgrade
> hell right now as the tiger installer has crashed it :) I have been
> an apple
> proponent since the start, own a Apple 2, etc.
>
> Andre'
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leslie Filip" <lfilip at mac.com>
> To: "The Robot Group Mailing List" <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Robotgroup] [Fwd: Manchaca Optimist Festival, May 3rd]
>
>
> Andre'
>
> Why the comment about Apple when posting about teaching? Smiley or
> not, it is a mischaracterization of Apple that should not be spread
> unless you are trolling. They are no worse than any other company
> when it comes to licensing or otherwise appropriating technology.
>
> Respectfully,
> Les
>
>
> On 17 Apr 2008, at 5:23 PM, Andre Lamothe wrote:
>
>> Ahh, which classes? Teaching is too draining for me anymore. But, the
>> funniest class I ever taught was at UC Santa Cruz, graphics and
>> game dev. So
>> we have a project, where the students have to make a complete game
>> for the
>> final -- ok, simple enough. So, I am walking from student to student,
>> looking at their final work, they tell me about it, then I get to
>> this girl
>> (one of 2 in the class, so I will give her an A for effort), but
>> she shows
>> me her game, and it looks VERY familiar. Of course, she COPIED it
>> line for
>> line from MY book, but the sad part is she didn't realize the class
>> USES my
>> book, my name is on it, so not only plagiarized, but so lame she
>> didn't read
>> the authors name in huge letters on the cover "Andre' LaMothe",
>> needless to
>> say, it was too sweet a moment, to even let her know, so I asked
>> her some
>> questions about MY code, which she couldn't answer -- however, I
>> gave her a
>> D rather than an F, at least she tried to solve the problem by
>> stealing
>> other people's work, works for Apple :)
>>
>> Andre'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Def Egge" <robodigest at innervate.com>
>> To: "The Robot Group Mailing List" <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Robotgroup] [Fwd: Manchaca Optimist Festival, May 3rd]
>>
>>
>> No, Andre' ... I am at St. Edward's University ... a little further
>> south.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> At 14:38  2008-04-17, you wrote:
>> -=-=-=-=-= begin quoted message =-=-=-=-=-
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> You're teaching at UT right? What courses are your teaching this
>>> quarter/semester?
>>>
>>> Andre'
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Def Egge" <robodigest at innervate.com>
>>> To: <robotgroup at puremagic.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Robotgroup] [Fwd: Manchaca Optimist Festival, May
>> 3rd]
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Richard Abbott <dlluwh at sbcglobal.net>:
>>>
>>>> Shelly and I can come.
>>>>   Rick
>>>>
>>>> Vern Graner <vern at txis.com> wrote:
>>>>   What say you, roboteers? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> I will probably need a break after administering and grading finals
>>> all week ... probably some antidepressants, too.
>>>
>>> Pencil me in.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best....
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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>>
>> All the best....
>>
>> Mike
>>
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