[Robotgroup] Detect the Rink. Re: Drive a Droid proposal

john at cozmicfunk.com john at cozmicfunk.com
Mon Jul 7 23:09:33 PDT 2008


My personal opinion: I think you are going about this design the wrong 
way...

Why does it have to have unlimited RC control then only be able to stay 
in a small circle? it makes no sense at all...

Solution: You need to make the Robot control idiot proof! Instead of 
giving COMPLETE rc control, you should design the control features 
around a few pre-programed presets that allow some function (with a 
avoidance detection system) and also give the audience what they want: 
Interaction!

Because from my point of view, I have already been cruising around a 
small RC bot and it gets old really fast.

So the idea is have some presets like the smaller voice controlled r2d2 
(which I have) and design it to stay within a perimeter of function and 
then return to a Center location or Homing beacon of some kind after it 
does it's two minute Parade. It can still be entertaining and engaging 
without it being this huge design concept that will only work with more 
money and resources than it will be worth for only a First night activity.

The small Voice activated R2 has a neat feature called Dance mode where 
it drives around playing the Cantina theme and beeps and lights up. for 
kids, it is great, they don't have to be in control to enjoy it and then 
there is no liability with it going crazy and running someone over either.

Like I said, you could have a few presets and some demo modes to mix it 
up, maybe have a ask R2 voice system that randomly picks from a  list of 
preset beeping patterns that would appear to be ":responsive" and no one 
would ever know the difference.

Take this advice from a guy that has been designing a sci-fi film for 
years and has pondered ways of making things easy, simple and effective 
in communicating the ideas to an audience. People only know what ever 
you tell them: give them some interaction with lights and sounds and 
they will be happy :)

JPF



Bruce Waters wrote:
> Vern,
>         I suggest a point-of-view shift from detect-the-ropes
> to detect-the-rink.   If you place two detectors, one outboard
> of each wheel,  you can have the bot naturally turn back into 
> the rink without a rink monitor person.   Just "pause" the wheel 
> *opposite* the sensor which no longer senses the rink.
> As the "guest operator" continues forward, the bot will curve 
> back into the rink.   Even if the "guest operator" goes 
> backwards, the paused wheel (pls recall: that is the one probably 
> still on the rink) will just hold its ground as the bot swivels the 
> out-of-bounds wheel back onto the rink.  Also, if neither 
> wheel senses the rink then both wheels are "paused" and the 
> way-out-of-bounds bot simply stops.  An override to take a
> bot out of "rink only mode" could be available for a rink 
> monitor administrative person if desired or one could use the
> brute-force technique of picking up a way-out-of bounds bot 
> and placing it back on the rink.
>       A down side to the detect-the-rink approach is that the 
> entire rink area (less swivel space) has to be made so the 
> sensors can detect the rink and still do not false-positive 
> when a bot is out-of-bounds.    
>    False negatives (from perhaps a failing sensor) would show
> up as a bot on the rink going in tight circles.   With some 
> "handed" sensors one might even be able to globally trigger 
> left-or-right false negatives and have all the bots act like 
> ballroom dancers synchronously twirling CW or CCW to 
> delight any bot choreographer or racetrack anarchist.
>      A great advantage of detect-the-rink is that the "rink" can 
> be any shape including shapes with safety zones.   Some 
> interesting shapes might include a "racetrack figure8" or oval
> wide enough for bots to pass each other.  Ropes for crowd 
> control are orthogonal to robot control with detect-the-rink .  
> One could choose to have an inner and an outer oval of ropes 
> for a racetrack oval, or just an outer set, or no ropes at all.   
> One could even have segmented ropes with gates or holes 
> and the ropes could move around off-rink without interfering 
> with bot control.  
>      
> Bruce Waters
>      
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