[OT] Vista, (was: Entice Designer 0.8.2 release)

[Saaa]

"Jari-Matti Mäkelä" <jmjmak at utu.fi.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Saaa wrote:
>> Are even programmers against vista?
>> Is it because of the price? Or maybe you think it isn't necessary?
>> You must understand that the real features of vista which are interesting
>> can't be shown in general commercials, right?
>
> No, but please don't think you can force people to think the same way as
> you do.
Is this about me or about microsoft?
If this is about me: well in a discussion you hope to force, others to think 
like you or adapt to their better thoughts, by arguments.
If its not directed to me: ignore that sentence :D

>
> There are several reasons not to always use the newest version of
> Windows. Maybe the biggest (from the developer POV) are compatibility
> issues. People start to develop Vista-only apps with the new shiny dev
> tools. Simply great, now everyone has to convert.
This even happens in ubuntu: some apps are supported, the rest ake alot of 
effort to get to work.
Somebody makes choises including develepors and as vista breaks 
compatibility with previous windows
(like for fthe first time for real) this is going to happen yes. But most 
non-3d apps have the tag: (98)/2k/xp/vista
>
> Sure it has interesting 'features' like Aero (which is a bad joke
> compared to Beryl), but you know, some people really don't appreciate
You understand that aero was the one feature which is easy to market and 
thus not one the features I was talking about :D
> the arbitrary limits the OS introduces - like maximum number of network
> sessions < n (where n is a relatively small number, forcing you to buy
> the most expensive Vista version if you do networking stuff), picture
Marketing yes.
> quality of video clips on non-HDCP displays is max a x b pixels. Then it
Only if you buy drm protected media, which I won't.
> phones home, forces to register new hardware, forces to use WMP, WMA,
I don't like the phones home part and I hope there is an VistaAntiSpy.
> standards-wise retarded IE7, etc.
This is not true, the forcing part. Neelie won't allow this :D

> Now if you think these are features, please take a look at any other OS
> out there. Maybe you will notice the feeling that you're not being held
> hostage anymore.
It is mostly the lack of support by other apps that's holding me back. There 
is atm no good alternative for office, excel and Photoshop.
I don't care whose fault this is, I need to use these apps and XP is for now 
my os.
I like the research Microsoft did which are expressed in Vista (look for 
instance in the video I mentioned earlier).
I also like the open source concept and by using windows I can use allot 
opensource programs.
(next to the os itself and Photoshop and office everything is opensource)
But after an enthusiastic start with ubuntu I had some annoyances with it 
(which I should report somewhere)
and getting to know a new os as well as windows just takes allot of 
effort(because it is new).