tiobe D remains at 14 but is losing ground for the second month

[Georg Wrede]

Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
> Georg Wrede wrote:
> 
> 
>>janderson wrote:
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>>>The June tiobe scores are out.  D remains at 14 but is losing ground for
>>>the second month.
>>
>>Could this be because we are concentrating on advanced issues in D, and
>>totally ignoring the *users*?
> 
> 
> I believe it's more because there hasn't been many revolutionary new
> features in the last releases and also because of the slower release cycle.
> 
> 
>>As a first step, maybe we should split the D ng somehow?
>>
>>Maybe D.1 and D.2, or simply D and D.advanced?
> 
> 
> Some kind of moderation would also help. Of course it causes additional work
> to the ng admin (Walter) and complicates archiving, but there are many
> posts that are sent to wrong group - especially bug reports and newbie
> questions.

I was more thinking along the lines of not causing Walter more work.

The "second D ng" should have a name scary enough to keep all of 
newbies, regular (even advanced) users, and especially Real Users (as 
defined by actually *using* D for something productive, away. In 
essence, the new ng would be for esotherics, 2+ things, and other 
non-current ruminations.

All Real Stuff about D should be in the "regular" D newsgroup.

There's a huge void between D.learn, D.bugs and D.scary. Those folks now 
have to use the D ng which "from their viewpoint" is littered with 
rocket science, most of which isn't even becoming a reality, ever.

At the same time, it would be nice for us "2+ folks" to be able to 
choose from "regular D stuff" and "Our Esotherics" depending on our time 
at hand or just simply mood. I for example, sometimes want to look at D 
issues from an actual user's point of view, and at other times really 
want to tackle the "hard and interesting" stuff. Separate ngs would help 
even us. (Besides, the volume of posts is enough for the split anyway.)

Serving Customers -- anybody? As opposed to mostly just serving us D 
zealots and propeller heads.

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Of course, there are a half dozen other things I could have suggested, 
but the ng split would be something doable right now, and without much 
work for Walter. All the others would need more effort. (Not that they'd 
be any less efficient or important. It's just that with this Const 
thing, I'd expect Walter not to want to be bothered with them right now.)