OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

[grauzone]

Alexander Pánek wrote:
> grauzone wrote:
>> Alexander Pánek wrote:
>>> grauzone wrote:
>>>>> browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript?
>>>>
>>>> It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes.
>>>>
>>>> When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by 
>>>> default. Sometimes, some minor things don't work, and I have to 
>>>> enable JS. Now it's really rare to see functionality that couldn't 
>>>> be provided without JS. Rather, web designers seem to be really dumb 
>>>> and do stuff like replacing real links by script functions. As a 
>>>> prime example take YouTube. It's like YouTube doesn't believe in a 
>>>> life without AJAX! The simplest things don't work anymore. What for?
>>>>
>>>> About AJAX, you know it breaks the back button and all other sorts 
>>>> of practical things you are used from normal web browsing. And 
>>>> occasionally, they use it for animations. Animations what for? They 
>>>> only introduce artificial GUI latency. (You know, Win 3.11 feels 
>>>> faster.) A related example for annoying AJAX things are those 
>>>> "applet" like boxes, that contain a "loading" gif, and apparently 
>>>> loads a HTML subtree using AJAX.
>>>>
>>>> For completely over-engineered AJAX waste look at the Tango docs on 
>>>> dsource. I mean, it emulates frames, and the end result is worse 
>>>> than with good old frames! Ah yes, we all know frames are 
>>>> "outdated", but AJAX is hip and new! Let's emulate frames, because 
>>>> we feel it's too slow to reload the whole page again! (Now now, I 
>>>> wonder if the Tango docs even require a webserver. Maybe that's the 
>>>> reason why there's no downloadable documentation? But maybe I'm 
>>>> blaming the wrong thing here.)
>>>>
>>>> They told use not to use <blink> or <marquee>? OK, we'll just use JS!
>>>>
>>>> Among the best uses of JS I've seen are snow flakes moved by a script.
>>>>
>>>> /rant (I feel better now.)
>>>
>>> Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows:
>>>
>>> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/27/modal-windows-in-modern-web-design/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I really don’t want to torture you. Well, maybe a little. :P
>>
>> Oh god... why...
> 
> *snip*
> 
> “The modal window has many advantages. For example, when a modal window 
> contains a smaller element, the user doesn’t need to load an entirely 
> new page just to access it (another way to achieve the same effect is 
> e.g. by using AJAX-based tabs). By providing modal windows, you improve 
> the usability of your website. Having to load pages over and over will 
> annoy most users, so avoiding that is definitely a good thing. Modal 
> windows also allow you to save space by getting rid of large elements 
> that don’t need to be on the main page. For example, rather than putting 
> a full video on a page, you can just provide a link, thumbnail or button 
> of some sort.”

Yeah, I read that. I want to smash him to pieces.

> Because. ;)