DConf 2019: Shepherd's Pie Edition

[Johannes Loher]

On Saturday, 22 December 2018 at 15:11:10 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Saturday, 22 December 2018 at 14:26:29 UTC, Atila Neves 
> wrote:
>> On Saturday, 22 December 2018 at 13:46:39 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 22 December 2018 at 12:18:25 UTC, Mike Parker 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> The egregious waste of time and resources of this DConf 
>>> format strongly signals that D is not a serious effort to 
>>> build a used language,
>>
>> It's the same signal being emitted by all of these "failures" 
>> as well:
>>
>> Go: https://twitter.com/dgryski/status/1034939523736600576
>> Rust: https://rustconf.com/
>> Clojure: https://clojure.org/community/events
>> Haskell: https://wiki.haskell.org/Conferences
>> C++: https://cppcon.org/ https://cpponsea.uk/ 
>> http://cppnow.org/ https://meetingcpp.com/
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> To me it's obvious from that short list that took me less than 
>> 5min to come up with that conferences aren't a dying format. I 
>> gave up on C++ conferences after the 4th link, there are just 
>> too many.
>
> The fact that a short list of conferences still exists at all 
> somehow makes it "obvious" to you that they're not dying? Did 
> you even look at my second link that actually tallies some 
> numbers for a particular tech market?
>
> It is true that a few conferences are still being done, even my 
> second link above never said they're _all_ gone. But simply 
> saying some are still following this outdated ritual is not an 
> argument for continuing it, nor does it contradict anything I 
> said about the number of conferences going down.
>
>> If you don't like conferences you don't have to go.
>
> This has nothing do me: I've never been to DConf or most any 
> other tech conference and likely never will. This is about 
> whether the D team should be wasting time with this dying 
> format.
>
>> I for one am excited about being in London in May. Please 
>> don't sour it for other who think/feel like I do.
>
> Heh, so that's your two big arguments for why the conference 
> format should continue: other languages are doing it and you 
> want to visit London in May? You are exemplifying the mindset 
> that I'm pointing out with these flimsy arguments, everything 
> that is wrong with D and DConf.

We talked a great deal about this in your thread 
(https://forum.dlang.org/thread/ogrdeyojqzosvjnthpsi@forum.dlang.org). I believe the main takeaway from that discussion was that many of us disagree with your opinion to at least some degree.

I know that you are very convinced about your idea of how we 
should do DConf being superior and that is OK. Maybe you are just 
ahead of time in this case, I don't know. But it is also  a fact 
that many people stated that they actually enjoy the current 
DConf format very much and believe it is not a waste of time and 
money at all. So to me, it is no surprise at all that it was 
decided to to stick with the current format.

Also I don't think this is the right place for this discussion. 
If you feel that we indeed need to rediscuss this issue, I think 
it should be done in a separate thread.