I have a plan.. I really DO

[Ecstatic Coder]

On Friday, 13 July 2018 at 19:30:07 UTC, RhyS wrote:
> On Friday, 13 July 2018 at 13:15:07 UTC, Ecstatic Coder wrote:
>> At the moment, developing in Rust can be quite painful because 
>> of too much focus on its borrow checker, as the reference 
>> counting system is just a side feature, which is not deeply 
>> integrated into the language.
>>
>> And Go suffers from its own problems, mainly related to the 
>> excessive limitation of the language features (no genericity, 
>> "fake" class inheritance, etc).
>
> Those are are big items but its the small stuff that more 
> frustrates. Just deal with some database result fetching. In 
> dynamic languages that is maybe a 5 line of code, Go makes it 4 
> or 5 times as big. Its just a bit too unwieldy.
>
>> De facto they are already making room for another language to 
>> ultimately fill those gaps...
>>
>> This may be Crystal, D or another yet to come language...
>
> Crystal maybe ... but the link Ruby / RoR does create a bit of 
> a artificial barrier. I do notice that Ruby ( not Rails ) is 
> getting more recognition these days.
>
> D ... i am being honest but i do not see it. D really has a lot 
> going for it but frankly, the missing default HTTP server is 
> just silly these days. And no, again, Vibe.D is not a  good 
> alternative when it breaks on just about every D release or 
> does not perform multi thread correctly ( look up the 
> documentation. Out of date and full of unused information ).
>
> What i personally miss is a compile language that simply gets 
> the job done.
>
> Take PHP for instance, horrible issues ( a lot less as they 
> cleaned up a lot over the years ) but its most redeeming 
> feature is it gets the job done. It does not force you into a 
> specific pattern, its fast go get visual results, its backward 
> compatability is impressive ( hint hint D ), it just works out 
> of the box with ease.
>
> Javascript ( the newer ES version + Node ) also match this more.
>
> D looks usable at first for people coming from dynamic 
> languages but they are quickly overwhelmed with the whole C/C++ 
> focus.
>
> Crystal is bridging that gap but its still more or less Ruby. 
> So it needs to deal with some of the reputation issues.
>
> Where is our Java / C like alternative. Swift? Unfortunately 
> Apple has no interest outside of its own platform and Linux 
> support is spotty.
>
> Kotlin/Native? Its moving fast and most people do not realize 
> this. But a long time from finished.
>
> Zig? Kind of a C alternative.
>
>
> If there is a language out there that gaps that C/Java/dynamic 
> fast and easy feel, and offers the ability to compile down with 
> ease. I have not seen it.

Indeed Kotlin/Native is becoming VERY impressive these days, as 
it will be usable both for server-side and client-side 
development, including to develop mobile applications for iOS and 
Android.

https://github.com/jetbrains/kotlinconf-spinner

One other very promising language, which almost nobody knows, is 
Crack, as it's quite performant and could be used to implement 
practically anything (web servers, games, etc), as it uses 
automatic reference counting instead of garbage collection.

Sad it has absolutely no community (45 Github stars, including 
mine), and thus will probably stagnate in its current unfinished 
state (no weak references, fibers, channels, etc).