The D Programming Language Vision Document

[Paulo Pinto]

On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:43:25 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:30:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 5 July 2022 at 12:34:57 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:
>>> On Monday, 4 July 2022 at 05:30:10 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> GC is one of D's strength because it is optional, not making 
>>> core APIs bing-your-own-memory-allocation-strategy through 
>>> nogc or allocators, is making it no longer optional, which is 
>>> no longer a strength imo
>>>
>>> You don't want GC when you do microcontroller development, so 
>>> as a result core APIs (most of them) becomes useless, moving 
>>> forward that should make the story better for everyone
>>>
>>> Which becomes a strength again
>>
>> Feel free to consider it a strength, when in reality it is a 
>> flaw against established market players.
>>
>> https://www.microej.com/
>>
>> https://www.wildernesslabs.co/
>>
>> https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/perc
>>
>> https://www.aicas.com/wp/products-services/jamaicavm/
>>
>> https://www.astrobe.com/
>
> People also use nodejs and npm, what is your point?
>
> If you invest in the future you must take the pragmatic 
> approach and give options
>
> Those are not Oracle's products, companies took the JVM for 
> what it is as a foundation and built their products
>
> They haven't picked the default Oracle JDK and the default 
> concurrent GC
>
> D should enable similar stories with what it has and can 
> provide, read on the challenges TinyGO faced, if D provides the 
> tools for companies to experiment with it, with a proper set of 
> efficient and minimal Core APIs, that alone makes it a proper 
> and more efficient alternative solution

My point is that GC hate is not a fixed problem in D, and the 
vision does little to fix it.

Meanwhile the language communities that embraced GC in embedded 
deployment, are at least 20 years ahead in production deployments 
versus D, where no GC keeps being a reason to rejoice, like the 
the comment I replied to.

The future was when Andrei book came out.