***** D method override mechanisms borked ******

[Carlos Santander]

John Reimer escribió:
> Regan Heath wrote:
>> Why mention Bruno is a student? What difference does it make?
>>
>> I don't know a lot about the issues around overriding protection and 
>> would be interested to hear why you think Bruno is wrong in his 
>> comments because what he has said so far (you've implied he's ignoring 
>> some issues, what issues?) makes sense to me.
>>
>> I get the impression you're not interested in discussing it, which is 
>> fine, can someone else illuminate it for me?
>>
>> Regan
> 
> 
> Kris actually voiced some of the feelings I've been experiencing about 
> Bruno's posts.  It's hard to articulate that kind of "feeling." But for 
> the most part, I feel he's accurate in his complaint (although he sounds 
> a little exasperated).
> 
> Bruno does come across extremely confident, and while "ego" is a strong 
> word,  Bruno has given us very little indication that his posts are an 
> expression of anything other than that.  So that leaves us thinking one 
> of two things: either he really knows what he's talking about and likes 
> bombarding the community with statements of absolute truth, despite the 
> fact that nobody really knows why he thinks he knows (like maybe many 
> long years of research, experience, and study?) ; or he's a 21 year old 
> college kid who is quite bright, but has a penchant for talking about 
> what's right and wrong about everything as if his is the final word on 
> the matter.
> 
> Either way, there's no common courtesy or deference to the experience of 
>  others, many of whom may have a whole lot more years behind them in the 
> computer industry. There's no gentle discussion. There's just strident 
> confidence about how things are with little justification for it or 
> evidence as to why. This world is full of gray areas and full of systems 
> that try to make an organized approach to understanding and working in 
> them, but that doesn't make any one system perfect.  As time goes on, we 
> find that out.
> 
> Regan, It's less about his being a student, which as you say really 
> makes no difference, and more about how he voices his opinions with very 
> little reason for us to know why his word should be law on matters.  The 
> student thing comes up because that's about the only portrait Bruno has 
> bothered to paint for us (his signature).  And I'm afraid that portrait 
> is rather lacking in any substance.
> 
> Regan, you've been in the same spot as Bruno, I think, and perhaps 
> empathize with him a little, especially in relation to dealing with Kris 
> :).  But you've doggedly persisted through, developed D code, 
> contributed to the community in significant ways and thus earned that 
> amount of respect you now deserve.  But there were times when people 
> were annoyed with your innate ability to start long-winded debates on 
> things. Some of your opinions came across the same way.
> 
> When youth speak with so such confidence, it tends to come across as 
> abrasive, annoying, and egotistical, no matter what the original 
> intention may be.
> 
> I'm giving Bruno the benefit of the doubt.  He probably just enjoys D, 
> this community, and the language related discussions so much, that he 
> has trouble holding back.  That's nice... but there are consequences to 
> any action lacking self-control. :)
> 
> -JJR

I think Kris overreacted. Maybe he was right, but I don't think that was the 
right way to express it. Experience is a very valuable thing, granted, but maybe 
Bruno has experience and he just hasn't made it public. But whether that's the 
case or not, I agree with Regan in that it shouldn't matter that much. And if 
you, Kris, think Bruno needs a bit of "enlightenment", why not explain him a 
bit? The rest of us could use that help too.

Anyway, I hope it was just a bit of frustration and we can leave it there.

-- 
Carlos Santander Bernal