***** D method override mechanisms borked ******

[John Reimer]

Carlos Santander wrote:
> 
> I think Kris overreacted. Maybe he was right, but I don't think that was 
> the right way to express it. Experience is a very valuable thing, 
> granted, but maybe Bruno has experience and he just hasn't made it 
> public. But whether that's the case or not, I agree with Regan in that 
> it shouldn't matter that much. And if you, Kris, think Bruno needs a bit 
> of "enlightenment", why not explain him a bit? The rest of us could use 
> that help too.
> 
> Anyway, I hope it was just a bit of frustration and we can leave it there.
> 

Carlos said: "But whether that's the case or not, I agree with Regan in 
that it shouldn't matter that much."

Actually, Carlos, I beg to disagree. Experience is everything (and 
especially, may I add, experience using D past and present).  Because if 
Bruno doesn't have it and ends up just voicing what he reads... and 
voices it in the "conclusive" manner that he does... well it just 
amounts to the same thing as someone being handed a loudspeaker and a 
script... and perhaps is just as annoying.

Furthermore, being blunt and direct in expressing an opinion is not 
always the wisest route to go: if it is the chosen route, it better be 
very carefully measured.  If one wants to learn and grow in a community, 
especially as a 22 year old CS student, then flatly stating somebody is 
wrong in a matter is probably the worst approach:

1. It is probably the fastest way to offend and cause a discussion to 
vier into coarse waters.

2. It is presumptuous without fully understanding the persons experience 
and point of view.

As an object lesson, I suggest Bruno go and learn who Kris is and how 
long and hard he's worked with D over the years.  Read his posts from 
the old D group and then later in this one.

In this regard, Bruno really made no acknowledgment of Kris' experience 
with evolving D features.  And nor did he show any interest to learn 
about them.  It was like "so what?"

Bruno, for your own sake, and to ensure continued valued participation 
in here, please treat long time D contributers with more respect than 
you have been (well treat everyone with respect, actually).  Some of 
these people have been around for a long time, know D inside and out, 
have done more programming in the language than even Walter himself, and 
have contributed much to what D has become today.

Bruno, You are totally out of line. And all others that say that loud 
and blunt contradiction should be the natural mode of progressive 
learning and discussion in the D newsgroup are confused.

Why am I and others jumping on Bruno like this?  I hope he understands 
that this is a courtesy to keep him from being completely ignored, 
filtered, or constantly chastised.

Carlos, this is not against you at all;  I've always found you 
respectful and your posts easy to read even when you stated your 
opinions most earnestly.  I just wanted to explain, as best as I could, 
how I see things here before too much support is garnered for Brunos 
style of confrontation.

Okay.. that takes care of my vent for the next few months. :)

I wish everyone on the D newsgroup many happy, joyous days. ;)

-JJR