std.container.RedBlackTree versus C++ std::set

[Jonathan M Davis]

On Friday, February 15, 2013 21:37:46 Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Friday, February 15, 2013 21:16:51 Namespace wrote:
> > > They're not going to do that until they've decided, and AFAIK,
> > > they haven't.
> > > Attempting to essentially confront them and get them to say
> > > what they plan to
> > > do generally doesn't get you anywhere - especially since
> > > they're unlikely to
> > > say much until they actually are planning to do it, and it's
> > > usually the case
> > > that no decision has been made.
> > > 
> > > - Jonathan M Davis
> > 
> > I did not mean the const& thing. This is hopeless and will
> > certainly take some months or years.
> > My post was based on "[...] probably by getting rid of postblit
> > all together.".
> 
> I know. And my answer is the same. There's nothing special about the const&
> issue and how that's going. That's how it pretty much always goes. Until it
> becomes a priority for Walter, it'll go nowhere. Sometimes, if someone makes
> it a priority and implements it (creating a pull request for it), then that
> solves the problem, but sometimes that's still not enough, because Walter
> needs to sort out whether it's the direction that we want to go, which
> means making it a priority to sort that out, which means that the pull
> request sits around for a while and may or may not make it in. Bug fixes
> and more minor language changes do get merged all the time, but if a
> language change is significant enough, it generally requires that Walter
> spend some time on it and make a decision on it (even if he's not
> implementing the changes), and he's generally very slow about that if it's
> not near the top of his list of priorities.

I should probably add that bringing up discussions on how to solve problems in 
the language can be of benefit, because they often result in good discussions 
that help lead toward a solution, and that can lead towards that solution 
ending up in the language (and depending on the discussion Andrei and/or 
Walter will get involved). But simply asking them about the state of things or 
essentially contronting them and trying to get them to give official statements 
on their plans doesn't generally work. If nothing else, they simply don't 
generally say what they're planning to do before they've actually decided on 
it. They might start discussions to discuss something that they're 
considering, but they're unlikely to state any kind of actual plans before 
they've actually decided, which generally means no official statements about 
what's coming or planned.

- Jonathan M Davis