Implicit conversions through purity
bearophile
bearophileHUGS at lycos.com
Tue Apr 15 11:01:59 PDT 2014
Steve Teale:
> Since this is D-Learn, I can be indignant, and say that D needs
> to get its act together, and have a clean definition of 'pure'.
> What you describe is not only undocumented, but also far too
> complicated - pure weak nothrow dontpiss kissmyass @never, and
> so on if the direction continues.
There is a nice article on D purity that I suggest you to read.
Unfortunately I don't remember the link.
To design a system language as complex as C++/D you need lot of
mathematics and theory. Andrei is good in computer science theory
and in complex programming too, but Walter is less
mathematically-minded and this could be visible in the design of
some parts of D. Anyway, everyone is doing their best, Walter is
very good and he has all my respect. And in a real-world system
language a clean definition of pure (like the original pure
implementation of D) is not very useful. The current definition
of pure of D is good enough and it's a part very near to be
completely implemented (unlike many other parts of D like
synchronized, scope, SIMD, vector operations, operator
overloading, dynamic libraries, GC, and more). So please don't be
too much indignant, we don't have the research laboratories of
Microsoft :-)
> Nontheless, thank you for your assiduous efforets to make D
> internally consistent.
In the end I am not doing much. At best I can only hope to spot
some sharp corners of the language, and ask for them to be
smoothed. But it's very hard to make progress. And lately Andrei
(perhaps rightfully) has raised the bar regarding the acceptable
breaking changes. And people like Kenji have a mind better than
mine (able to think about tens of corner cases, able to keep in
mind many complex interactions, etc) even when they are sleeping
:-)
Bye,
bearophile
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