const by default.
clayasaurus
clayasaurus at gmail.com
Mon Jul 3 18:19:54 PDT 2006
Dave wrote:
> Ok, I know 'const' has been beaten to death in previous threads...
>
> However, one thing that I've not seen beaten to death is 'const by
> default'.
>
> In the following post, there's a link to comp.lang.c++.moderated where
> Walter puts forward some very good arguments regarding what's wrong with
> C++ (type modifier) const:
>
> http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?digitalmars.D/39437
>
> In that thread, Walter mentions that he should have made const the
> default. Every subsequent post agreed with not one dissenter.
>
> Walter, what exactly do you have in mind? Only reference types? Default
> const for everything? Everything but function local variables? Or
> function return types and function parameters only?
>
> If some type of 'const by default' was implemented, it could have big
> consequences for Phobos. As Phobos is 'officially' supported and
> distributed w/ the compiler, it is the only thing that has to be changed
> along with the compiler.
>
> I'd say:
> - add the 'mutable' keyword in v0.163
> - let the community start modifying Phobos.
> - add a "warn on non-mutable" switch to the compiler by v0.167 (that way
> Walter could implement all of the logic, and later cutover by removing
> the switch and making those errors instead of warnings).
> - let the community test Phobos using the new warning switch
> - 'cutover' when Phobos is done.
>
> I think the "too much water under the bridge" problem from Walter's
> standpoint is that he can't count on anyone else but himself making the
> changes to Phobos, and he simply doesn't have the time.
>
> I would gladly volunteer for a few of the Phobos modules but I don't
> have the time nor enough explicit knowledge of Phobos to lead the effort
> efficiently. If we could just get the 'mutable' keyword in there, then
> we could start a Dsource project and get "promises" from people in the
> community to do the work.
>
> Just some thoughts on the matter...
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Dave
I wasn't necessarily supporting it, but if all the D experts think it is
a good idea after having a long conversation about it in the newsgroups,
then I wouldn't mind making changes.
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