D Change Proposals

[John Reimer]

"Bruno Medeiros" <brunodomedeirosATgmail at SPAM.com> wrote in message 
news:e9bd62$1jae$1 at digitaldaemon.com...
> Ok, I was thinking of how to improve the way the community manages D 
> language feature requests, change proposals, etc., and I have come forth 
> with a idea I've mentioned before of using the Wiki to keep track of 
> language proposals (called D Change Proposals?).
>
> The point of having a wiki entry is to either help create a final proposal 
> (by detailing the different alternatives, etc.) or to simply keep track of 
> the status quo of the proposal (what are the issues, the possible 
> solutions, what does the community think, what does Walter think, etc.)
>
> I have created a wiki template:
> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?DCP_Template
> which offers a template for a Change Proposal document, and some 
> guidelines for the respective proposal process. Do give your comments, 
> thoughts, etc.
> Note that the template is mostly a collection of suggestions that I wanted 
> to present (and open to collaborative editing). It is not about strict 
> adherence, one can use parts of it, variations, etc., In fact as you can 
> see, the template is not complete/finished, nor has to be. The parts with 
> "?" are more particularly open for comments.
>
> Here is an example DCP:
> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?DCP_DefaultPrivateImports
>
> -- 
> Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
> http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D


*sigh*

Excuse me for being so pessimistic, Bruno. But this has all been suggested 
before, over and over and over again over the past few years.  What are you 
trying to accomplish?  Every six months or so another exuberant personality, 
not unlike yourself,  pops up in this newsgroup with a "hey, I've got a 
incredible idea!" and tries to guide the community into a new rash of 
"exceptional" suggestions for organizing proposals and managing a very 
inscrutable and unmanageable Walter.

It doesn't work, hasn't worked, and won't work -- believe me.  Has Walter 
backed you on this?  Do you think Walter will take out of his day to look at 
this list (not the first list by far, either)?  Are you serious? If not, 
what in the world are trying to do? If it makes you feel good, please 
realize that's all it's doing. Because it's likely to do absolutely nothing 
for anyone here or the promotion or improvement of D.

You are better off getting control of yourself, sitting down and putting all 
that restless energy to use documenting or programming D libraries. That 
would be much more effective in getting D going than what you are 
suggesting.  Leave the proposal suggestions for those that have even a 
smidgeon of a chance of getting Walter's attention.

Why am I being so harsh?  Mostly because you are becoming ruthlessly 
persistent in conveying your "wisdom" without making consideration for the 
current circumstance or your own standing here in the community; you still 
haven't proved your worth with real live D contributions beyond your 
prodigious number of postings.

I encourage you to start playing with D, write tutorials, convert libraries, 
exercise D for all it's worth.  Establish yourself as a D contributor! If 
you want to be a leader in the D community, prove yourself by setting a 
reliable and observable example of dedication (beyond mere postings to this 
newsgroup)!  Then come back and tell Walter and the community what needs to 
be done.

If you really want to see D progress, you'll have to move as much useful 
code to it as possible, and demonstrate to the outside programming community 
why D is so great.  That's where you will have much more influence. Because 
you just haven't developed that sort of influence in here yet.

Remember, Bruno, you are young, and your ideas are not new.  If this offends 
you, I'm sorry.  You are just much to vocal for your own good; and I think 
you need to be yanked down now again before you get yourself in over your 
head. It gets wearisome to see this happen over and over again.

-JJR