Well, well...

[Nick Sabalausky]

"James Smith" <jksmith at grid-sky.com> wrote in message 
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> "Nick Sabalausky" <a at a.a> wrote in message 
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>> I've always felt that the main thing holding the Internet back from being 
>> an OS-commoditizing platform are all of the design and implementation 
>> flaws in all the technologies the web is built on. HTML, JavaScript, ASP, 
>> PHP, browsers, etc. I could go forever listing problems I have with them, 
>> but I'll list just a few at random and leave it at that:
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> Sure, but this is just a growing pain. Personal computing has to evolve 
> from each user on his own little island to being plugged into a grid. 
> Naturally, forces like MSFT will discourage this as long as they can, then 
> relent by degrees and figure out how to make money in the new environment. 
> For all the quirks, the browser delivers an increasingly sophisticated OS 
> agnostic user interface.
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>>And I *strongly* agree on placing a high focus on techniques to maximize 
>>code reliability. That's something I've focused a lot on lately 
>>(Reliability and productivity without sacrificing power is what drew me to 
>>D in the first place).
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> Absolutely, real concurrency won't be achievable without coinciding focus 
> on reliable computing, which is why I'm so enthused about how D 
> development is going. Apparently, real effort is being put into these 
> issues in this community. These issues appear to hold little value in 
> Delphi and C# land.
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Right. And from what I've seen, those issues haven't been holding much value 
in other web scripting languages (server- or client-side), either. Which, as 
it sounds like we're both saying, is something that will have to change 
before the web can reach it's potential. The worlds of Java and C++ do seem 
to care about reliable computing, but IMO they tend to be prone to missteps 
and are still lagging behind D in both reliability and 
pragmatism/produtivity. (Although Java has been making at least some good 
strides in pragmatism: 1.5 is a welcome improvement over 1.4, it finally 
adds things like foreach).

I'm not trying to de-emphasise concurrency, it's just that reliability and 
productivity are where my focuses have been lately, so that's what I have 
the most to say about. My only experience with concurrency has been just 
with one microcontroller (Parallax's Propeller).