Tango development

[Alix Pexton]

Kris wrote:
> There's recently been a couple of notable threads that I recall over Tango, 
> which have been entirely non-constructive, and revolved almost entirely 
> around small details such as module naming conventions.  It's like there's 
> some kind of fear and loathing seething under the surface. I'm wondering 
> whether it's because Tango is not generally discussed in the ng at all. I 
> mean, it is developed and maintained completely /outside/ of this ng 
> environment. Is there some basis for this notion? 
> 
> 

To me, it seems that both D and Tango are developed with a similar air of secrecy, widly discussed by those that are interested in them, both represented by their respective authors, but the process of decision making vieled and mysterious.

Occasionally there are announcements of a new version, even more occasionaly hints of new features upcoming, but no insight into the process that has built them.

Most are well recieved, and we all appreciate the effort that both parties put in to their work, but...

I cannot recall a single occasion wen Walter has dismissed an issue that was raised regarding the way that D works, he either welcomes the comments, offers constuctive counter arguments, or stays frustratingly quiet and mysterious.

Genuine enquiries about why Tango is like it is seem always to be met with the same few responces, "come to IRC/Our Forum", "well, you have a choice", dismissal of the issue as trivial and sometimes what seem to be personal remarks that have no baring on the issue.

When the feedback that people receive on the news groups is so blunt and hostile, are you really surprised that people are reluctant to come to your stomping grounds?

I can't help feeling some times that Tango's detractors are being bullied, and having now been on IRC with you I know that is not the case.

The face that you tend to show on the NG is not the one that I saw last night/this morning, but even this post seems to have a bullying tone to it.

It is obvious that the Tango developers all get along, and I can sense that many of them have a similar trait to their personality, that of finding it dificult to empathise with others, you do not have to accept or even understand someone else's concerns before you can acknowlege them.

The threads that involve Tango do tend to become drawn out, and the hostility is not entirely one sided, but the only reason that the are, as you say, non-constructive, is because there seems to be a reluctance to even look at issues from the other side's point of view.

The vast majority of Tango threads do not become debates because the Tango team seem unwilling even to acknowledge that the NG is a place where people are entitled to have a POV regarding Tango.

There are exceptions, but sadly, to my memory at least they are rare.

With a name like Tango you should have a slogan like "come dance with us", but it seems more like "wanna fight?" at the moment.

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