[OT] - does IP exist?

[Jesse Phillips]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:08:23 +0300, Yigal Chripun wrote:

> Jesse Phillips wrote:
>  > Alright, let us start from the beginning. What is a right, who gives
>  > us
>> this right, and why do we have them?
> 
> Let's do this another way. Instead of me trying to explain my POV again
> I'll refer you to a post:
> news://news.digitalmars.com:119/mailman.8.1219006500.19733.digitalmars-
d at puremagic.com
> this is by Adam D. Ruppe and he explains it much better than I can. he's
> post is the exact thing I'm trying to claim.

Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
"Then why is this debate about rights? Rights are irrelevant - what
matters is the results."

Wrong. Don't care about the results. I'm all about the individuals rights.

"If your goal is to create an environment where ideas and art flourish,
great. That's a good goal, and that is where your defence should be
focused."

Nope, my goal is to have rules and regulations make it so that people do 
not interfere with other persons or their property. And to do so people 
need to have rights, rights that don't interfere with other peoples 
rights. This creates a big problem with the below suggestion.

"Forget all this repetitive talk about rights, and talk about how the
law helps or doesn't help achieve this goal (or whatever other goal you
want to set).

"Copyright law might be a valid way to achieve this goal. It might not
be. There might be completely better ways (something I'm convinced of).

"Setting a real world goal for the debate lets both sides create an
objective test case for their arguments, which would let it finally come
to an adequate conclusion."

I have set my goal, which heavily uses person's rights. And you have set 
yours, which is the best business model to have, what was it again, oh 
yes "information" spread.

I have said before that I don't care about best business model and 
disagree with you as to what information is.

I should probably continue on why I feel individual rights are more 
important than trying to help the world flourish with ideas and 
invention. People are greedy. My goal tries to tailer to this in a way 
that will help the flourishing of ideas and invention, yours just says it 
is a bad thing and should be denied. I do not see it as a bad thing, just 
a fact and no one should be punished for it (the free market can do that).