C++, D: Dinosaurs?

[Piotrek]

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> I've found that, unfortunately, to not be quite enough. Not because of any 
> limitations of D/Tango/Mango, but because:
> 
> #1: In the commercial world there are a lot of times when you, as the 
> programmer, have little to no say on how the server is set up and what 
> languages are available (for instance, I've done plenty of PHP and VBScript, 
> but never by choice).
> 
True. And that's why I search opportunity to get around such limitations.

> #2: You have basically no control over the client-side environment, so for 
> that you're still stuck with de-facto standards like ECMAScript, and a lack 
> of the upcoming/proposed improvements to (X)HTML (things I've thought should 
> have been in HTML all along...*grumble*).
> 

Also true. JavaScript is necessary to make dhtml and ajax and I see no 
way to get rid of it for now (only I can do is use it when truly needed).


> [...] Pasting together SQL snippets is just plain ugly, and why dynamically 
> generate code just for the DBMS to go and parse it? I mean, geez, just cut 
> the middleman and pass the request directly. LINQ is better, but I'm still 
> not convinced it's the right approach. TSQL stored procedures are something 
> I'd rather, well, just write in a more "normal" language.  And then, of 
> course, there's the bizarre "insert" vs. "update" syntax inconsistencies and 
> general incompatibilities across vendors (ex: insert a row and retreive the 
> auto-gen id <- which is really a rather common thing to need to do, 
> particularly if you've got any foreign keys in the DB design, which again is 
> rather common).
> 

The LINQ project looks ok. However I don't use the Microsoft software at 
all.

> To be fair though, I have to say that without some of the advanced features 
> we've been starting to see in languages like D, C#, Python and Ruby, using 
> an API for any non-trivial queries could potentially get ugly. 


I find non-trivial SQL queries as ugly as hell. I'd rather see it in OO way.

Cheers