Portability of uint over/underflow behavior

[Nick Sabalausky]

"Don" <nospam at nospam.com> wrote in message 
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> Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> "Don" <nospam at nospam.com> wrote in message 
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>>> bearophile wrote:
>>>> Don:
>>>>> The question was about incrementing uint, not int. Preventing 
>>>>> wraparound on uints would break everything!
>>>> If optional runtime overflow controls are added to integral values, 
>>>> then they are performed on ubyte/ushort/uint/ulong/ucent too, because 
>>>> leaving a hole in that safety net is very bad and useless.
>>> But uints HAVE no overflow! In the case of an int, you are approximating 
>>> a mathematical infinite-precision integer. An overflow means you went 
>>> outside the available precision.
>>> A uint is quite different.
>>> uint arithmetic is perfectly standard modulo 2^32 arithmetic.
>>> Don't be confused by the fact that many people use them as 
>>> approximations to infinite-precision positive integers. That's _not_ 
>>> what they are.
>>>
>>
>> A uint is an int with the domain of possible values shifted by 
>> +uint.max/2 (while retaining binary compatibility with the overlapping 
>> values, of course). Modulo 2^32 arithmetic is just one possible use for 
>> them. For other
>> uses, detecting overflow can be useful.
>
> I suspect that in most of the cases you're thinking of, you actually want 
> to detect when the result is greater than int.max, not when it exceeds 
> uint.max?
>
> What you're calling 'overflow' in unsigned operations is actually the 
> carry flag. The CPU also an overflow flag which applies to signed 
> operations. When it's set, it means the result was so big that the sign 
> was corrupted. (eg int.max + int.max gives a negative result). An overflow 
> is always an error, I think. (And if you were using (say) a sign-magnitude 
> representation instead of 2-s complement, int.max+int.max would be a 
> _different_ wrong number).
> But a carry is not an error. It's expected, and indicates that a 
> wraparound occured.
>

I was referring to the detection of wraparounds regardless of what CPU flag 
is used to indicate that a wraparound occurred. I'd say the vast majority of 
the time you're working above the asm level, you care much more about 
variables potentially exceeding their limits than "overflow flag" vs "carry 
flag".

> By the way, there are other forms of integer which _are_ supported in x86 
> hardware. Integers which saturate to a maximum value can be useful. ie, 
> (int.max + 1 == int.max)

You're kidding me! The x86 has a native capability for that? Since when? How 
is it used? (I'd love to see D support for it ;) )