Anomaly on Wiki4D GuiLibraries page

Don nospam at nospam.com
Sat Jan 17 20:54:30 PST 2009


John Reimer wrote:
> Hello Bill,
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:46 AM, John Reimer <terminal.node at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Back to the present.  Again, it would be easier if we just fix this
>>> situation by changing the "dwt" newsgroup to "GUI" and forget about
>>> the reference to "standard" for now.
>>>
>> Ugh, that would be terrible.  I really don't care what troubles a GTKD
>> user is facing, and I'm sure that the GTKD user couldn't care less
>> what issues are hot in the DWT world.
>>
> 
> 
> Maybe.  I was trying to be fair.  GTKD uses the dsource forums for the 
> most part anyway.  Same goes for dfl and a few others.  On a few 
> occasions, a GUI project has used the dwt newsgroup to make a few 
> announcements.
> 
> 
>> Putting several different gui groups under one top-level gui heading
>> would be fine though.  I mean like
>> digitalmars.D.gui.{dwt,gtkd,qtd,...}.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Sure.  But I doubt it's going to happen because who knows what kind of 
> lifespan other GUI projects will have.  It was risky to do it so early 
> for dwt.  I suppose if nobody cares if the space is used or not, then 
> it's fine.
> 
> 
> 
>>> The time to "standardize" a GUI library is
>>> perhaps when a project has proven its survivability and popularity
>>> enough to
>>> warrant the title.  Even so, GUI's are going to be particularly
>>> controversial, so it may be wise for D to avoid standardizing any
>>> such thing
>>> for awhile.  Just as there are people that don't like the Tango
>>> "style" (a
>>> very /few/ people, of course ;) ), even so there are going to be
>>> people that
>>> don't like dwt.
>> With Python, they put wrappers for Tk into the standard distribution
>> long ago, and it's still the only one there AFAIK, but I don't think
>> it's all that popular any more.  wxPython, pyQt, and wxGTK have all
>> taken off since then and offer a lot more functionality.
>>
> 
> 
> I think this will be the same problem for D.
> 
> 
>> Still it's nice to have a basic cross-platform GUI right there in the
>> standard distribution of the language.
>>

Does DWT offer that yet? Certainly it didn't at the moment of 
'standardisation'.

> 
> 
> If they agree to it... sure.  :)  Personally, I would rather have a very 
> well defined package download system (like dsss was meant to be) that 
> makes it easy for the user to install the library of his/her choice 
> (like ruby gems).  Then integrate that system into something like 
> descent so that a user can pick a choose from a list right from the IDE 
> so that they can plug it right into their project.
> 
> It cuts down on the core package size and gives the developer a little 
> more choice in the matter.  I suppose I'm revealing my dependency on 
> dialup here. :)
> 
> -JJR
> 
> 



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