Give me a break

[Don]

Tom S wrote:
> Lutger wrote:
>> Tom S wrote:
>>
>>> Yigal Chripun wrote:
>> (snip)
>>>> IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed 
>>>> color
>>>> problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
>>>> tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
>>> Uhhh... try listening to Tango folks sometimes. They really have tried.
>>>
>>
>> If you can forgive my ignorance, what is the current Tango/Phobos 
>> problem you see and refer to here? Is it related to D1 or also 
>> concerns a possible  future Tango D2?
> 
> I'm mostly a Tango user, not its developer, so I might be misinformed, 
> but there doesn't seem to be any licensing issue except a conceptional 
> one.

Not true. The issue is that Tango uses the BSD license, which is 
inappropriate for a standard library. Phobos2 now uses the Boost license 
throughout. Because of the licensing issue, Andrei and Walter won't look 
at any Tango code.
This could be fixed quite simply by adding the Boost license to the list
of Tango licenses (it should replace BSD in my opinion).

The next biggest issue is module naming.

> As for other issues - there's very little communication between the 'D 
> Team' and the 'Tango Team'. Much could be learned and borrowed from it, 
> but you don't see that in Phobos 2. Looks like we're going to end up 
> with two 'utility libraries' that are not compatible with one another 
> and instead of complementing each other, they offer ways to do the same 
> things in a slightly different manner.

Most of the competing functionality is with parts of Phobos which are 
going to be ditched, eg the I/O system.
In Phobos2, everything will be range-based -- and that introduces a 
conceptual difference. (much like the STL in C++ vs the C libraries).

The big issue will be, how far can Tango2 go in integrating Phobos2 
concepts while retaining as much of Tango1 as possible?

> 
> IIRC, Tango devs claim that its runtime is better than druntime, which 
> also only supports DMD at the moment. And apparently, there's been very 
> little contact with Sean lately, so it's a case of 'us' vs 'them' again.

The Phobos2 runtime _is_ the Tango runtime. That problem has been fixed.