[Slight OT] TDPL in Russia

[Stanislav Blinov]

Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> Steven Schveighoffer, el 27 de agosto a las 15:03 me escribiste:
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:36:44 -0400, retard <re at tard.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:35:32 +0400, Stanislav Blinov wrote:
>>>
>>>> Author may not lose anything, but she actually doesn't gain what she
>>>> could, so yes, this is stealing. Pirates steal profit (and often
>>>> prestiege as well), profit that may have paid off spent time, nerves and
>>>> money. And torrent user is not guaranteed to buy the book if *able* to
>>>> download a .pdf as well. It doesn't stimulate authors to share more of
>>>> their thoughts and knowledge when they see all their efforts are simply
>>>> taken away without any kind of thanks. A book is not a car, you don't
>>>> need to read it ALL before buying, and most modern authors and
>>>> publishers provide samples so potential reader may see if the book is
>>>> worth buying (btw, a whole chapter of TDPL was recently provided for all
>>>> willing), so I don't see any reasons for advertisement here.
>>> Do you think the libraries also steal from the authors? If I can't afford
>>> a book or don't find it important enough, I can ask the local library to
>>> order it and later read it for free. This also encourages other member of
>>> the target audience to loan the book without paying--the libraries have
>>> lists of most recent books and all kinds of enthusiastics subscribe to
>>> those lists. This is also a great way to introduce new readers to a
>>> topic. I've noticed that books I order get lots of attention after
>>> they're available from the shelves.
>> No, libraries don't steal, they buy their copies or are given books
>> that other people have bought.  If I lent you my copy of TDPL then
>> it wouldn't be stealing either, someone paid for that book.  If you
>> have a copy of a book from the library, then nobody else has that
>> copy.  This falls under fair-use.  You are allowed to transfer your
>> copy of IP to someone else (despite what EULA's try to enforce), or
>> lend it to them as long as you are not also using it.  There is a
>> difference between copying and lending.
> 
> That being true, the practical consequences are the same: A doesn't buy
> the book, but reads it anyway. So according to the argument about
> downloading the book via torrent was "A is stealing profit from the
> author". If A lends the book instead of downloading it, he is still
> getting the knowledge but not paying from it (so the author doesn't get
> paid either). I really have a lot of trouble understanding why one is
> reasonable or fair use and why another is stealing.
> 
> I'm not convinced about the argument about the paper book taking
> a "time-slice" to be read so it's OK to share because 2 people can't
> read the same book at the same time, I think libraries usually have
> a few copies from the same book because there is usually little people
> reading the same book concurrently.
> 
> I'm not talking any side here, I really think authors should be
> encouraged to keep writing books, and for that to happen, they have to
> live, and to live, get some profit, but I'm not convinced the topic is
> so black & white. There is a lot of discussion about IP because of
> digital media, and it's not very clear how the future will be, but I do
> think the old model is exhausted (CC and FLOSS making an excellent point
> that there are viable alternatives).
> 
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