LLVM 3.0 type system changes

[Iain Buclaw]

== Quote from Caligo (iteronvexor at gmail.com)'s article
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> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:33:19 -0500, Caligo <iteronvexor at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Bernard Helyer <b.helyer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 00:15:54 -0600, Caligo wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Bernard Helyer <b.helyer at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:41:39 -0600, Caligo wrote:
> >>> >> > Do we really need another D compiler that doesn't work?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Name me a working D2 compiler that doesn't have a front-end based
> >>> based
> >>> >> on DMD. Furthermore, name me an in progress independent implementation
> >>> >> further along than SDC. The only candidate is Dil.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> SDC _will_ be finished, mark my words.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Regards,
> >>> >>  Some one who remembers why they don't use the NG that much.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > Yes, I know about dil, but I wonder why you chose not to contribute to
> >>> > dil instead of starting a new project.  AFAIK dil is D1.
> >>>
> >>> I know about Dil. aziz is great, the project is great. However, I know
> >>> and want to use D2/Phobos. Plus, if I'm going to spend years on a
> >>> project, I may as well use stuff I like. Furthermore, SDC didn't start
> >>> out as a full compiler. Just playing around with lexing/parsing D. NIH
> >>> syndrome, too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I was aware of your "NIH syndrome", and that's why I have a problem with
> >> this.  The main reason you are doing this is to serve your own needs, to
> >> make yourself feel good, to earn some kind of recognition, but not to
> >> serve
> >> the community in any meaningful way.  Even if the project fails, it will
> >> look good on your resume because you took the time to develop a compiler.
> >> This kind of behavior is very common in the FOSS community, and it has
> >> become a disease.  It's the reason why there are thousands of dead
> >> software
> >> projects that were never completed and maintained.
> >>
> >
> > Hindsight is 20/20.  How selfish of Linus Torvalds to create Linux instead
> > of contributing to FreeBSD or Hurd.
> >
> > The thing is, this "disease" is the reason why most open-source projects
> > are started.  You can't say the ones that are successes were started any
> > differently than ones that are not.  One starts an open source project (in
> > most cases) to do something fun, interesting, and maybe create something
> > that everyone uses.  Nobody starts them because they know it's going to be a
> > success.
> >
> > What if Dil is completed and LDC is abandoned?  Will you come back here and
> > lambaste the LDC developers for not abandoning their *obviously* flawed
> > project and joining dil?  Give me a break...
> >
> > Congrats Bernard on your efforts, I hope you succeed.  We need *more*
> > compilers for D, not less.
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> Linux and the Hurd are very different; It's like comparing D and C++, but
> I'll bite.  How about all the people that chose to contribute to the Linux
> kernel instead of starting a new OS kernel project??  It's because of them
> that the Linux kernel is what it is today.  It's because of them that the
> project continued to grow and get better.  It's because of them that we
> don't have 50 different unfinished and broken OS kernels.

Just because you don't hear about them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Anyway, what has your biting got to do with LLVM type system changes? :)