End user experience with D

[Ludovit Lucenic]

On Sunday, 1 September 2013 at 23:36:11 UTC, Ramon wrote:
> On Sunday, 1 September 2013 at 23:22:30 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe 
> wrote:
>> On Sunday, 1 September 2013 at 22:21:10 UTC, Ramon wrote:
>>> Finally and possibly most importantly, basically not having 
>>> fully working  debugger support is a very serious lack.
>>
>> Maybe it is because I write 100% bug free code the first time 
>> every time ( :-) ) but I've found the gdb support, at least on 
>> Linux, to be really pretty good.
>>
>> I compile with -gc -debug - the "pretend to be C" option is 
>> something I started doing years ago and might not be necessary 
>> anymore, but I've found it to be plenty good enough anyway.
>>
>>> D's bias toward Windows doesn't help either.
>>
>> If anything, I don't think D goes far enough in its Windows 
>> support. It works well there, sure, even the optlink things 
>> others complain about don't bother me, but there's a lot of 
>> stuff it could easily do and doesn't, at least not without 
>> grabbing additional downloads.
>>
>> On Linux, dmd works quite excellently, as do gdc and ldc.
>
> -gc? Hmmm ... I'll try that. Thanks for the tip ;)
>
> For the rest: Frankly, I'm not even sure, I should follow that 
> kind of discussion (like in Manu's thread) anymore. I don't 
> mean to offend someone but it strikes me as ... uhm ... brains 
> not used at their full power ... when "there is no really 
> properly and fully working IDE" (which is pretty close to a 
> killer for many) gt thrown in - and seriously - discussed with 
> stuff like "nenene, in Windows Visual Blah 2010 it worked and 
> now Intellisense works only with handish settings, nenene".
> Even worse, while I'm still hoping for a promising statement by 
> a heavy-weight like e.g. W. Bright along the line "Yep, we 
> really, seriously need some working cross platform IDE, 
> preferably an easy to install one" ... one seems quite happy to 
> seriously adress nitty-bitties for Windows Whatever 2012 (c) 
> (tm) $$$.
>
> Maybe perfection must be three, the catholic way, a triplet. 
> Maybe we need another incarnation of Andrei A. (who brought 
> great stuff to D) but this third guy bringing good useabilty to 
> D.

A 'D usability roadmap' defined from within the community would
make things definitively easier and better to follow.