Bartosz Milewski seems to like D more than C++ now :)

[PauloPinto]

On Thursday, 19 September 2013 at 23:50:04 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:18:22AM +0200, Szymon Gatner wrote:
>> I had similar thoughts when watching GoingNaive 2013:
>> http://bartoszmilewski.com/2013/09/19/edward-chands/
>> I was more and more scared with every talk and now I am 
>> valualizing
>> my polymorphic types a'la Sean Parent
>
> Quote:
>
> 	There was so much talk about how not to use C++ that it 
> occurred
> 	to me that maybe this wasn’t the problem of incompetent
> 	programmers, but that straightforward C++ is plain wrong. So if
> 	you just learn the primitives of the language and try to use
> 	them, you’re doomed.
>
> 	... [big snippage] ...
>
> 	I can go on and on like this (and I often do!). Do you see the
> 	pattern? Every remedy breeds another remedy. It’s no longer 
> just
> 	the C subset that should be avoided. Every new language feature
> 	or library addition comes with a new series of gotchas. And you
> 	know a new feature is badly designed if Scott Meyers has a talk
> 	about it. (His latest was about the pitfalls of, you guessed 
> it,
> 	move semantics.)
>
> This is sooo true. It reflects my experience with C++. 
> Honestly, it got
> to a point where I gave up trying to following the remedy upon 
> the patch
> to another remedy to a third remedy that patches yet another 
> remedy on
> top of a fundamentally broken core. [... cutted]

I dislike C, and will take C++ safety and abstraction 
capabilities over C, unless forced to do otherwise.

Now, having said this. I hardly write any C++ nowadays.

In the types of projects we do, it is all about JVM and .NET 
languages.

Sometimes even replacing "legacy C++" systems by new systems done 
in those languages.

So writing C++, or even C, tends to be restricted to a few method 
calls.

For example, recently we had a project for real time data 
analysis on Windows.

It was a C#/WPF application. C++ was only used for the hardware 
interfaces and SIMD optimizations for a few algorithms.


>
> Sounds like D's decision to go with a GC may not be *that* bad 
> after
> all...


I like GC enabled systems programming languages since I used 
Oberon, and had some contact with Modula-3.

Like many things in programming, the only way to convince other 
developers is to have them use such systems.

--
Paulo