What are the worst parts of D?
Manu via Digitalmars-d
digitalmars-d at puremagic.com
Wed Sep 24 14:59:39 PDT 2014
On 25 September 2014 00:56, Don via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d at puremagic.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 24 September 2014 at 07:43:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>> On 9/23/2014 11:28 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Constant rejection of improvements because "OMG breaking change!".
>>> Meanwhile, D has been breaking my code on practically every release
>>> for years. I don't get this, reject changes that are deliberately
>>> breaking changes which would make significant improvements, but allow
>>> breaking changes anyway because they are bug fixes? If the release
>>> breaks code, then accept that fact and make some real proper breaking
>>> changes that make D substantially better! It is my opinion that D
>>> adopters don't adopt D because it's perfect just how it is and they
>>> don't want it to improve with time, they adopt D *because they want it
>>> to improve with time*! That implies an acceptance (even a welcoming)
>>> of breaking changes.
>
>
> I agree completely. I would say that the #1 problem in D is the paranoid
> fear of breaking backwards compatibility. I said that in my 2013 talk. It is
> still true today.
>
> Sociomantic says, PLEASE BREAK OUR CODE! Get rid of the old design bugs
> while we still can.
>
> For example: We agreed *years* ago to remove the NCEG operators. Why haven't
> they been removed yet?
>
> As I said earlier in the year, one of the biggest ever breaking changes was
> the fix for array stomping, but it wasn't even recognized as a breaking
> change!
> Breaking changes happen all the time, and the ones that break noisily are
> really not a problem.
>
> "Most D code is yet to be written."
>
>> What change in particular?
>
>
> I've got a nasty feeling that you misread what he wrote. Every time we say,
> "breaking changes are good", you seem to hear "breaking changes are bad"!
>
> The existing D corporate users are still sympathetic to breaking changes. We
> are giving the language an extraordinary opportunity. And it's incredibly
> frustrating to watch that opportunity being wasted due to paranoia.
>
> We are holding the door open. But we can't hold it open forever, the more
> corporate users we get, the harder it becomes.
> Break our code TODAY.
>
> "Most D code is yet to be written."
Oh good, I'm glad you're reading! :)
This was our unanimous feeling at Remedy too. I think all D users want
to see the language become clean, tidy and uniform.
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