RFC: moving forward with @nogc Phobos
Shammah Chancellor via Digitalmars-d
digitalmars-d at puremagic.com
Mon Sep 29 11:44:11 PDT 2014
On 2014-09-29 10:49:52 +0000, Andrei Alexandrescu said:
> Back when I've first introduced RCString I hinted that we have a larger
> strategy in mind. Here it is.
>
> The basic tenet of the approach is to reckon and act on the fact that
> memory allocation (the subject of allocators) is an entirely distinct
> topic from memory management, and more generally resource management.
> This clarifies that it would be wrong to approach alternatives to GC in
> Phobos by means of allocators. GC is not only an approach to memory
> allocation, but also an approach to memory management. Reducing it to
> either one is a mistake. In hindsight this looks rather obvious but it
> has caused me and many people better than myself a lot of headache.
>
> That said allocators are nice to have and use, and I will definitely
> follow up with std.allocator. However, std.allocator is not the key to
> a @nogc Phobos.
>
> Nor are ranges. There is an attitude that either output ranges, or
> input ranges in conjunction with lazy computation, would solve the
> issue of creating garbage.
> https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/2423 is a good
> illustration of the latter approach: a range would be lazily created by
> chaining stuff together. A range-based approach would take us further
> than the allocators, but I see the following issues with it:
>
> (a) the whole approach doesn't stand scrutiny for non-linear outputs,
> e.g. outputting some sort of associative array or really any composite
> type quickly becomes tenuous either with an output range (eager) or
> with exposing an input range (lazy);
>
> (b) makes the style of programming without GC radically different, and
> much more cumbersome, than programming with GC; as a consequence,
> programmers who consider changing one approach to another, or
> implementing an algorithm neutral to it, are looking at a major rewrite;
>
> (c) would make D/@nogc a poor cousin of C++. This is quite out of
> character; technically, I have long gotten used to seeing most
> elaborate C++ code like poor emulation of simple D idioms. But C++ has
> spent years and decades taking to perfection an approach without a
> tracing garbage collector. A departure from that would need to be
> superior, and that doesn't seem to be the case with range-based
> approaches.
>
> ===========
>
> Now that we clarified that these existing attempts are not going to
> work well, the question remains what does. For Phobos I'm thinking of
> defining and using three policies:
>
> enum MemoryManagementPolicy { gc, rc, mrc }
> immutable
> gc = ResourceManagementPolicy.gc,
> rc = ResourceManagementPolicy.rc,
> mrc = ResourceManagementPolicy.mrc;
>
> The three policies are:
>
> (a) gc is the classic garbage-collected style of management;
>
> (b) rc is a reference-counted style still backed by the GC, i.e. the GC
> will still be able to pick up cycles and other kinds of leaks.
>
> (c) mrc is a reference-counted style backed by malloc.
>
> (It should be possible to collapse rc and mrc together and make the
> distinction dynamically, at runtime. I'm distinguishing them statically
> here for expository purposes.)
>
> The policy is a template parameter to functions in Phobos (and
> elsewhere), and informs the functions e.g. what types to return.
> Consider:
>
> auto setExtension(MemoryManagementPolicy mmp = gc, R1, R2)(R1 path, R2 ext)
> if (...)
> {
> static if (mmp == gc) alias S = string;
> else alias S = RCString;
> S result;
> ...
> return result;
> }
>
> On the caller side:
>
> auto p1 = setExtension("hello", ".txt"); // fine, use gc
> auto p2 = setExtension!gc("hello", ".txt"); // same
> auto p3 = setExtension!rc("hello", ".txt"); // fine, use rc
>
> So by default it's going to continue being business as usual, but
> certain functions will allow passing in a (defaulted) policy for memory
> management.
>
> Destroy!
>
>
> Andrei
I don't like the idea of having to pass in template parameters
everywhere -- even for allocators. Is there some way we could have
"allocator contexts"?
E.G.
with( auto allocator = ReferencedCounted() )
{
auto foo = setExtension("hello", "txt");
}
ReferenceCounted() could replace a thread-local "new" delegate with
something it has, and when it goes out of scope, it would reset it to
whatever it was before. This would create some runtime overhead --
but I'm not sure how much more than already exists.
-Shammah
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