Breaking changes in Visual C++ 2015

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 8 May 2015 at 14:00:01 UTC, Chris wrote:
> On Friday, 8 May 2015 at 13:31:38 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
> wrote:
>> On Friday, 8 May 2015 at 08:45:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>>> On 5/8/2015 1:16 AM, "Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= 
>>> <ola.fosheim.grostad+dlang at gmail.com>" wrote:
>>>> And people don't pick a language because of a testing 
>>>> framework…
>>>
>>> Which is why I need to point out just how productivity 
>>> boosting -unittest and -cov are.
>>
>> D unittests can be neat for simpler libraries, but they also 
>> make code harder to browse. Phobos source code clearly suffers 
>> from it.
>>
>> So I'd rather have them separate and have testing-support 
>> built into the IDE instead. I find that cleaner as unit-tests 
>> are actually not part of the semantical language, just part of 
>> the D syntax...
>>
>> You are probably right that people use them more when they are 
>> "shipped with the product", though. Whether you ship the 
>> compiler or a bundle (IDE).
>
> I like unittests in phobos and other libraries, because they 
> immediately show me how to use the code, and I like how simple 
> it is:
>
> dub --build=unittest
>
> or
>
> dmd myfile.d -unittest
>
> Be honest, have you written unittests for each your Python 
> scripts, for each of your command line tools? D makes it easy 
> for you.
>
> The only drawback is that sometimes the logic of a program does 
> not allow to test every little bit, especially when handling 
> files is concerned. But overall D in general makes me more 
> "code aware" in many respects, be it performance, code hygiene 
> or re-usability. And it helps that the compiler ships with a 
> lot of flags that help me to analyze my code.

The funny thing is that people keep complaining about the lack of 
tools for D, and when a tool is built into the language they say 
"That tool shouldn't be part of the language". Yet, if it were 
omitted, people would say "Why doesn't D have this tool built 
in?". Human nature, I guess.