Vision for the D language - stabilizing complexity?
Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
digitalmars-d at puremagic.com
Thu Jul 21 01:40:03 PDT 2016
On Saturday, 16 July 2016 at 13:09:22 UTC, Andrew Godfrey wrote:
> ideas that would require a major version change. The thing
> about that is that it can't be done incrementally; it's the
> rare kind of thing that would need to be planned long in
> advance, and would have to amount to a huge improvement to
> justify even considering it.
It does not need to be planned long in advance, it only requires
official backing as a side project. They could freeze current D2
as a stable release and also work on a cleanup.
Instead you get people working on their own forks (myself
included), or spin-off languages that goes nowhere. Because you
need momentum. As a result neither D or the spin-offs gain
momentum. And there are several spin-offs (some dead).
In the meantime low level languages like C++, Rust and semi-high
level languages like Swift cuts into the D feature set from both
sides. C++ is clogged up by backwards-compatibility issues, but
they are also smoothing out the rough edges where D once had
clear advantages. Especially in the areas of convenience.
C++14/C++17 are not very exciting in terms of features, but the
additions are removing what people now seem to call «friction».
In order to stay competitive over time you need something
significantly better, like stronger typing, which depends on
static analysis, which requires a simple identifiable core (not a
simple language, but a simple core language after you remove
syntactic sugar).
One possible valuable addition would have been restricted
refinement types, another is solid pointer analysis (without
false positives).
Neither are incompatible with D as such, but you would probably
need to attract compiler developers with a theoretical background
to get it up in reasonable time. Without a clean core they will
conclude that the it will be too much work and they will go to
other big languages instead or work on other alternative
languages that also go nowhere because they lack momentum...
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