Note from a donor

[Jerry]

On Saturday, 28 October 2017 at 00:05:53 UTC, codephantom wrote:
> Rubbish!
>
> And get you facts straight!
>
> Where did I advocate from the removal of the ability for D to 
> generate 64-bit binaries?

So you are saying to not use the platform's tools to generate 
binaries. That's like saying not to the use linux's tools to 
generate binaries on that platform and instead D should build 
it's own tools in order to be able to. D has a small enough 
community as it is, it isn't capable of developing such tools. 
You are advocating for the removal of the only way to currently 
genreate 64-bit binaries in D. The only other solution is mingw, 
and honestly those tools aren't nearly as polished as one run by 
a company with almost limitless resources. If you don't want to 
deal with Visual Studio, I'll deal you one better, why are you 
bothering to deal with Windows at all? If you don't like 
Microsoft so much just switch to Linux, there your problem is 
solved. You can't even install Visual Studio on Linux.

> At a minimum, I had to download 3.5GB of VS build tools just so 
> I could compile a 64 bit D program (and it took me almost a 
> whole day to work out the correct process).

It's really not that difficult, you install it and it pretty much 
just works. The only problem case is if you install D before you 
install Visual Studio.

Wow 3.5 GB, that's so much! If only there were TB HDDs at an 
affordable price, oh god why does it have to be so big to 
install! Anyways maybe I just don't see it as a problem cause I 
have to download much much bigger files. Good thing you don't 
play games cause they are getting into the 80 GB range nowadays.

> Is is it problem that D should accept, and just impose on it's 
> users?
>
> Or should D find a better way?
>
> Which is the worse mentality?

Your on the Windows platform, not support Windows tools is 
annoying and you aren't going to find better tools. If you don't 
like the way Microsoft does business, you have 2 other platforms 
you can go to. Buy a Mac or boot up Linux. Just stop making 
Windows a worse platform by suggesting to drop support for the 
official development tools.

There is no "better way". Every other way is going to be worse 
cause Windows doesn't have as big of a community dabbling in 
building tools like GCC and Clang for Windows. Why? Cause there's 
Visual Studio. Like I said, ideals are nice and all but people 
still need to get shit done. That's what your argument boils down 
to, the ideal of finding a better way than what is currently 
available. The problem is you aren't even suggestion a better 
way, you are just trying to sell it on the false belief that 
there is something better. But there isn't. This is worse than 
religion..

Why don't you like VS, cause they changed something? Rofl, 
whenever there is change people hate it. Cause people don't like 
change, for the only reason that they don't want to learn 
something new. I don't know how many times I teach someone a 
hotkey that's way better than their current method and they just 
keep going with their horribly slow method cause that's what they 
know. And download size? I could say why are you even on Windows, 
Linux is like 20 GB smaller download size and takes up less HDD 
space than Windows. So why the hell are you even on Windows? Oh 
yah once you install it you don't have to worry about it for 
years on end. You want to drop support for VS cause of something 
you spend once doing and then pretty much never have to do again 
for years to come. Please no, just switch to Linux and let the 
people that actually need to use the Windows platform, use it 
effectively.