can we un-deprecate .ptr on arrays in @safe code? cf issue 18529
Timothee Cour
thelastmammoth at gmail.com
Tue Feb 27 12:20:38 UTC 2018
this would be more bearable if there was a standard @trusted method to
get array `.ptr`, eg:
in `object.d` (so that it's indeed standard)
```
@trusted @nogc pure nothrow
auto pointer(T)(T a){
return a.ptr;
}
```
again, the deprecation message is misleading because `&a[0]` isn't
equivalent to `a.ptr`
having something like `pointer` (and making deprecation msg use that)
would be a better mitigation
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
<digitalmars-d at puremagic.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:33:04 Simen Kjærås via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> And trust me, the compiler complains about both of these.
>> Possibly rightfully in the first example, but the latter never
>> does anything scary with the given pointers.
>
> As I understand it, the way that @safety checks generally work is they check
> whether a particular operation is @safe or not. They don't usually care
> about what is then done with the result. So, if you do something like take
> the address of something, that's immediately @system regardless of what you
> do with the result. That changes on some level with DIP 1000 and scope,
> because then it uses scope to ensure that the lifetime of stuff like
> pointers doesn't exceed the lifetime of what they point to so that it can
> then know that taking the address is @safe, but without DIP 1000, it takes
> very little for something to become @system. e.g. this is compiles with
> -dip1000 but otherwise doesn't:
>
> void main() @safe
> {
> int i;
> assert(&i !is null);
> }
>
> Now, the compiler does seem to be a bit smarter with dynamic arrays and ptr
> given that this compiles without -dip1000
>
> void main() @safe
> {
> int[] i;
> assert(i.ptr !is null);
> }
>
> However, this doesn't compile with -dip1000:
>
> void main() @safe
> {
> int[] i;
> auto j = i.ptr;
> assert(j !is null);
> }
>
> and not even this compiles with -dip1000:
>
> void main() @safe
> {
> int[] i;
> scope j = i.ptr;
> assert(j !is null);
> }
>
> though I'm inclined to think that that's a bug from what I understand of
> -dip1000.
>
> In any case, @safety checks tend to be fairly primitive, so once you start
> mucking around with pointers, it's not hard to write code that gets treated
> as @system because of a single expression in the code that is clearly @safe
> within the context of the function, but the compiler can't see it.
>
> And for better or worse, accessing a dynamic array's ptr member is now
> @system, because it's not @safe in all circumstances. If the compiler were
> smarter, then a number of uses of ptr would probably be @safe, but its
> analysis for stuff like that is usually pretty primitive, in part because
> making it sophisticated requires stuff like code flow analysis, which the
> compiler doesn't do a lot of, precisely because it is complicated and easy
> to get wrong. Walter is particularly leery about making it so that stuff is
> an error or not based on code flow analysis, and @safe falls into that camp.
> Clearly, some of that is going on with DIP 1000, but that seems to be
> largely by using the type system to solve the problem rather than doing much
> in the way of code flow analysis.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis
>
>
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