Is it possible to set up DConf Asia?

[Joakim]

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 at 01:52:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 01:43:32 Joakim via Digitalmars-d 
> wrote:
>> On Saturday, 30 June 2018 at 01:33:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
>> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, June 30, 2018 01:12:10 Joakim via Digitalmars-d
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >> Yes, this is about those people, who as that blog post 
>> >> notes, are wasting a ton of money on an outdated ritual 
>> >> that no longer makes sense. If you believe the core team 
>> >> and a few key devs like you need to get together once a 
>> >> year in person and hash things out, then do that as an 
>> >> offline retreat somewhere, just don't sucker in a bunch of 
>> >> other paying DConf attendees to help defray your costs.
>> >>
>> >> The ultimate question here is what is the best use of the 
>> >> money that's being expended every year at DConf? Is that 
>> >> money best spent mostly on hotel/conference rooms and 
>> >> airline tickets for marginal benefit to most or on actually 
>> >> getting shit done? I think it's obvious that the model I've 
>> >> sketched out to Mike above would get a _lot_ more done.
>> >
>> > A lot of people would disagree with you. If you don't want 
>> > to go, then don't go. If others don't want to go, then they 
>> > don't have to go. No one is being forced to go. There are 
>> > clearly plenty of folks interested in going to dconf, and I 
>> > expect that it will continue to happen so long as there is 
>> > such interest. If folks aren't interested, then they won't 
>> > show up, and if attendance is too low, then presumably, 
>> > dconf won't be held anymore. However, the interest is 
>> > clearly there even if you aren't interested, and I don't 
>> > understand why you would be trying to get folks to stop 
>> > going when they're very much interested in going and see 
>> > value in doing so. If all you care about is being able to 
>> > get online content, then just watch the videos online.
>>
>> My point is obvious from the arguments I've made, including 
>> the one you just responded to while ignoring the substance of 
>> the argument. And not that many people are actually interested 
>> in attending DConf as presently run, I counted what, maybe 
>> 100-150 people at the one in Munich last month?
>>
>> If you're going to keep ignoring Marco's and my arguments and 
>> simply repeatedly state that it's worth it for those who 
>> attend despite all the flaws, then there's no point in 
>> discussing it. Clearly the current conference format is like a 
>> religious ritual for you then, something that must be blindly 
>> done regardless of any considerations of value.
>
> Those of us who take the time and spend the money to go to 
> dconf consider it worth the expenditure, or we wouldn't take 
> the time or spend the money to go. It's our money to spend, and 
> we see real value in what we get out of it, or we wouldn't keep 
> going. If you don't agree with us, fine, but I don't see how it 
> makes sense to try and talk us out of doing what we see value 
> in doing. If you want to spend your time and money on something 
> else, then do so.

Simple, D is a collective effort. If the core team wants to waste 
one of its key funding sources in getting a bunch of hobbyists 
together in a room showing off to each other then going on a 
European vacation, completely ignoring how the world and tech has 
changed from back when that could actually be worthwhile, that 
signals to me and others that D is not a serious effort to build 
a viable programming language. Such an egregious waste of 
resources signals that this is just a bunch of boys having fun 
with their toys, only now out on the town in Europe.

I'm not saying that was the intent all along: I suspect that like 
most people and institutions, DConf simply blindly aped what was 
done in the past, which is why conferences still happen. However, 
I'm now presenting arguments for why that doesn't make sense and 
why that outdated ritual is dying off, as Marco notes, and if the 
response is merely, "That's the way things have been done and 
we'll just keep doing it regardless," well, congrats, you just 
explained the thinking for why C and C++ will never be displaced 
by D.