DIP 1027--String Interpolation--Final Review Discussion Thread

[Timon Gehr]

On 04.02.20 22:57, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> On 2/4/20 8:44 AM, jmh530 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 4 February 2020 at 12:47:28 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> As I expected, this was rejected, and Walter didn't understand what I 
>>> was saying, says we shouldn't bake % into the format specification 
>>> (it doesn't), and that it's like AST macros (it's not). Since there's 
>>> no arguing on the feedback thread, I didn't want to push it.
>>>
>>
>> Several people seem to think it is an important proposal, so I 
>> wouldn't want you to get discouraged.
> 
> I've been involved in many discussions like this with Walter, and it's 
> not something I plan to do in this case. Once he makes up his mind, the 
> chances that I can convince him otherwise shrink to almost non-existent, 
> and it's not worth the effort IMO.
> 
>> However, when you say "Walter didn't understand what I was saying", 
>> another way to look at it is "I didn't communicate this well enough to 
>> convince Walter".
> 
> Possibly, but his response looks like he's trying to intentionally avoid 
> discussing the proposal at all (most of the points were obviously 
> incorrect, which leads me to believe that he would rather not discuss 
> the actual proposal). I don't have lots of time to argue with people who 
> aren't open to discussion.
> 
> -Steve

+1. I have refrained from commenting on the string interpolation DIP so 
far because it is not important enough to me to yet again get into the 
situation that Steve, Adam, Jonathan,... are in now. It's a very 
frustrating way to lose a lot of what could have been productive time.

Personally, I think it is ridiculous that the DIP focuses on printf over 
all other use cases so much yet in the common case, the proposed string 
interpolation will lead to access violations when used with printf in 
the most natural way, and it does not even support type safe formatting. 
This is not what people mean when they vote for string interpolation on 
a survey.

@jmh530: Have you read all the arguments made? Do you really think they 
are not compelling enough to at least warrant being addressed?