Civility

[mee6]

On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 13:14:46 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
wrote:
> On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 12:56:37 UTC, mee6 wrote:
>> D has a worse GC than java, that's a fact. You can do manual 
>> memory management in D, even though it isn't really supported 
>> by its own feature set. Using something like C++ and Java 
>> together is the better option as it provides the best of both 
>> worlds. Like what Android did. D went a direction that 
>> provides a worse GC without providing the tools needed for the 
>> alternative it claims to support.
>
> IIRC Atila Neves has expressed some positivity towards having 
> some kind of actor model with local GC per actor in the forums. 
> That in combination with ARC for shared objects could be an 
> interesting direction.
>
> Applications have to be given control over scheduling though, 
> and actors should be written to have short life times so that 
> you can bypass garbage collection as long as you have low 
> memory usage. (The GC heap then becomes an area-collector in 
> practice, so everything is freed wholesale when the actor 
> dies.).
>
> LLVM also makes it possible to do 100% precise collection, but 
> the current blocker is the C union. It would also help to ban 
> destructors on GC-allocated objects.
>
> So the main issue isn't that there are no options, but that 
> there are no signs of future movement towards something better 
> beyond those very sparse positive bleeps from Atil

All of the options you mentioned probably won't happen, 
especially the LLVM option is never going to happen.