Why is D unpopular?
Paulo Pinto
pjmlp at progtools.org
Tue May 17 05:29:30 UTC 2022
On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 01:03:14 UTC, forkit wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 23:11:28 UTC, max haughton wrote:
>> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 18:47:22 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 06:18:58 UTC, forkit wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also, operating systems of the (near) future will require
>>>> safety guarantees from the software that is intended to run
>>>> on that operating system. C is not a language that
>>>> facilitates this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Um, no that will not happen, ever. The safety guarantee of
>>> modern operating systems is and will be the MMU. Relying on
>>> "safe" software will never be enough. There have been
>>> attempts using safe intermediary languages like Microsoft
>>> Singularity but don't expect this ever to be a commercial
>>> operating system. The MMU is here to stay.
>>
>> I don't think the choice of language is going to make much
>> difference but I'd be surprised if Apple don't do something
>> along these lines in the future. They already scan and analyse
>> applications relatively aggressive for mobile and to an extent
>> for MacOS too.
>
> The choice of language can eliminate a whole class of bugs.
>
> It can also ensure the likelihood of a whole class of bugs.
>
> I'm sure you know this of course. I'm just stating the obvious.
>
> Fortunately, many get this, and are actively researching ways
> to move away from C - e.g.
> https://github.com/tock/tock/blob/master/doc/Design.md
>
> If Apple is not already doing very extensive research in this
> area, I'd be ...rather shocked.
>...
That is what Swift is all about,
> Swift is intended as a replacement for C-based languages (C,
> C++, and Objective-C).
Taken from https://www.swift.org/about/
> Swift is a successor to both the C and Objective-C languages.
Taken from https://developer.apple.com/swift/#fast
And some C improvements as well, thanks hardware memory tagging
support
> In iOS 14 and iPadOS 14, Apple modified the C compiler
> toolchain used to build the iBoot bootloader to improve its
> security. The modified toolchain implements code designed to
> prevent memory- and type-safety issues that are typically
> encountered in C programs.
Taken from
https://support.apple.com/guide/security/memory-safe-iboot-implementation-sec30d8d9ec1/web
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