[dmd-beta] D 1.075 and 2.060 betas

[Alex Rønne Petersen]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Don Clugston <dclugston at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27 July 2012 09:04, Jacob Carlborg <doob at me.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 08:54 AM, Alex Rønne Petersen <xtzgzorex at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Since always? I mean, nobody actually uses cmd.exe on Windows, do they?
>>
>>
>> First, shell scripts are not portable. You have to be very careful which
>> language constructs you choose to use. It's very easy you suddenly use a
>> language construct that is an extension only available in a particular
>> shell.
>>
>>
>> It's literally the only platform without a shell installed by default,
>> and even then, getting a shell via MinGW or Cygwin is trivial.
>>
>>
>> I don't agree. I wouldn't want to ask my users of an application/tool to
>> have to install MinGW or Cygwin. Preferably the shouldn't have to install
>> anything. That basically means native code.
>
> It's easy to download it, but integrating it into your system can go
> pretty badly wrong.
> For example, if you end up with gnu make installed, you need to make
> sure it never
> gets called instead of Windows make.

Windows has make?

> Oh the fun you can have if you end up with both MinGW and Cygwin installed...

I have had both installed for years without trouble. I mostly use the
former as development environment and the latter as general POSIX
environment (think SSH and other such utilities).

>
> Windows still has nearly 90% market share. it's not acceptable to
> treat it as a second class citizen, especially on something as trivial
> as this.

So... we should write batch 'scripts' to treat it as first class? I
won't stop you, but err... ;)

>
> Seriously, we want to remove every possible to barrier to participation.

MinGW and Cygwin are "barriers"? Really? They're extremely trivial to
install, especially Cygwin...

Plus, I don't really think this script is something that is absolutely
essential to participating in development of dmd/druntime/phobos...? I
mean, we didn't even have it up until recently.

Anyway, I'll shut up if people really want to write it in D (not that
it's my script to begin with...). I'm just of the opinion that
requiring a developer to have a POSIX shell isn't a big deal in 2012.

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Regards,
Alex