[dmd-internals] Planning software?

[Jacob Carlborg]

On 19 jan 2012, at 17:02, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> On 1/19/12 9:26 AM, Jesse Phillips wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu<andrei at erdani.com>  wrote:
>>> We tried a wiki. It didn't work.
>>> 
>>> Andrei
>> 
>> The only Phobos Dev I've seen edit the Wiki consistently has been Don.
> 
> Walter, Bartosz and I tried using the wiki in the past. It was a complete failure.
> 
>> In this group lots have signed up to trillo, you have even started
>> doing some task lists. Create an organization and publicize your list.
>> You've given up because Walter is on board yet, but if the community
>> actually starts to use it and coordinate, with it, Walter would be in
>> the wrong to ignore that.
> 
> I honestly am giving up on this. I won't even look at other suggested products. There seems to be no shared vision of what kind of organization we need and even no consensus that we need better organization. To summarize my understanding:
> 
> 1. Walter is (a) opposing trello, (b) not enthusiastic about changing much, (c) working kindly on particular examples discussed here (e.g. the oldest bugs).
> 
> 2. Don is already organized in his approach to fixing bugs and doesn't think adding some project planning software would help.
> 
> 3. Brad's opinion is that we're having a social issues that tools can't solve, and brings as evidence the fact that we don't use all features of our existing tools. Brad is not a strong participant in terms of code but is a key contributor of logistics and infrastructure.
> 
> 4. Kenji is too gentleman to participate. I personally think his work is so awesome, if anything I'd be afraid the introduction of whatever tools to disrupt it in any way.
> 
> 5. Leandro has the strong opinion that we don't need additional tools. He's not a massive participant to D but I mention this because he argues his point very passionately. I'm looking forward to equal passion in participation to D itself.
> 
> 6. A few others thought they'd give it a whirl and joined trello. We have a project there with two items and a few tumbleweeds.
> 
> Given this state of affairs, it's very unlikely we're poised to operate a change of significant impact.


You seems to focus too much on the products. We first have to decide:

* What goal we want to achieve
* How we should a achieve that goal
* How we want to organize the community

Then we can get into more detail of what we want from a tool. Examples:

* Milestones
* Roadmaps
* Goals
* Tasks

Then we start by looking at the tools we have, bugzilla, wiki, github and so on. After that, if none of those tools fit for what we want to do, we can start to look for other tools. If we don't know how to organize the community and what we want from a tool we will never know if a tool fit your needs.

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/Jacob Carlborg