Tango 0.95 beta1 released

[Lionello Lunesu]

kris wrote:
> Lionello Lunesu wrote:
>> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>>> C) Port while maintaining compatibility -- annoying the poor me who 
>>> has to deal with incompatibilities in the most basic functions (e.g. 
>>> toString, writefln)
>>
>>
>> I too wonder why those were changed. Why not leave them be? What's so 
>> terrible about toString? It returns a string, doesn't it? Furthermore, 
>> there's no toUTF16, toUTF32, so what's the point?
>>
>> Seems like a change for the sake of being different.
>>
>> L.
> 
> Well, that's not entirely fair :)
> 
> You mention two specific areas:
> 
> 1) writefln does not support the functionality we needed. It has no 
> support for either Locales, or for indexing the arguments themselves 
> (both for supporting I18N). We decided to go a different route, because 
> we beleive I18N is important enough to warrant some direct attention. 
> (locale is not quite fully enabled in this release, but it will be in 
> the next one).

A noble cause, for sure, and I'm glad you did it. I just think that 
porting from phobos should be a no-brainer.

> It would be cool if you ported the writefln code though, as an external 
> option -- we can't expect I18N support to be to everyone's liking.

Maybe I will ;)

> 2) there's no toUtf16() and toUtf32()? This is not the case. Tango uses 
> those in a number of modules to do just what they indicate. There are 
> modules that expose all three ... in certain cases they're also 
> templated for the base type that you want stored within (e.g. store as 
> dchar, expose as all three types).

Obviously, I was talking about Object.toString. Changing Object creates 
unnecessary incompatibilities.

> This really was a not an easy decision for us to take, as I'm sure you 
> can imagine.
> 
> Tango is what it is, and yet is open to change too. There's a /lot/ of 
> people involved as you can see on the site, and I do hope you'll give it 
> a good look?

I definitely will. I, like most people, have been waiting for a general 
framework to appear and Tango is the best :) So far :)

Maybe my post was too harsh, I really appreciate the effort put in 
Tango. D needs Tango.

L.