All this talk about 1.0 makes me worried.

[Charles]

 > I suppose many people like the idea of placing a stake in the ground ~
 > as means of marking/stamping progress?

I know of alot of people ( myself partially included ) that are waiting 
for a D 1.0 untill they really commit to using D.  Untill it reaches a 
1.0 ( which feels like never -- in which case if it is going to take 
another year or greater we should be talking about how to handle and 
work with a perpetually changing language - id be curious to know how 
often you have to update mango in response new DMD releases ) , i doubt 
'corporations' would even consider using it.  Even post D 1.0 is going 
to take a big effort from the community to get D in the mainstream.


kris wrote:
> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> 
>> All this talk about 1.0 (and other stuff like slogans) makes me 
>> worried. People talk as if D nearing completion: There is occasionally 
>> threads about the coming or even requesting the release of 1.0; In a 
>> recent 
>> post(news://news.digitalmars.com:119/dvuc0r$19t3$1@digitaldaemon.com) 
>> Don Clugston comments that what's left for 1.0 is "Not much more" and 
>> enumerates just a few items remaining; Other people also don't mention 
>> much more items; And we have people finding slogans for D mentioning 
>> about it's uber greatness and simplicity and whatnot; ...
>>
>> Am I the only one to find that (even besides the library) there is 
>> still a long way for D to go? And I'm talking about the language 
>> itself: it's design and not the tools and other stuff from the 
>> environment.
>> I have a list (mirrored in my wiki entry) of pending languages issues 
>> which I or others have reported/posted about, most of them 
>> acknowledged issues/problems by the core of the NG.
>> A recent thread by Oskar Linde 
>> (news://news.digitalmars.com:119/e00v0m$te2$3@digitaldaemon.com)
>> brings to attention another issue about associative arrays, which I 
>> too find important, and which I think are not the only issues 
>> regarding arrays in general.
>> Many similar threads exists, (most of them I believe with not very 
>> good ideas), but some others are very pertinent.
>> And there is a list of more issues about D that I have pending in my 
>> mind which I haven't yet the time to "research" and write about (which 
>> is the case for example of the immutability issue, want to finish 
>> reading that pdf about Javari).
>>
>> So in my opinion there is a lot of work to be done in D, and I'm not 
>> gonna bother thinking about 1.0 or even slogans until these are (at 
>> least mostly) resolved. Don't get me wrong, I already think D is a 
>> great language, and much better than C++ (not that hard to be though.. 
>> ), but much of D's greatness is still in potential only.
> 
> 
> Right on the money. What's the hurry, anyway?
> 
> I think what's more important is a general feeling of progress. The 
> recent changes for 'bit' is a good example. As you say, D is a fine 
> langauge, with awesome potential; but it needs some rough edges cleaned 
> up quite badly (such as improved debugger support, the never-ending AA 
> concerns, and a variety of others).
> 
> I suppose many people like the idea of placing a stake in the ground ~ 
> as means of marking/stamping progress? If so, then one would need to 
> ensure all features present at that point would not be subsequently 
> revoked (in the manner of 'bit', for example). I think that's a more 
> accurate measure of a "release" candiate than anything else.
> 
> - Kris