Necessities for Adoption of D

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Hans W. Uhlig さんは書きました:
> Good morning everyone,
>     I am new to the D forums but I have been following D's progress for 
> a good while.
> 
> 2) A single standard library for most tasks - The whole Phobos here and 
> Tango there and DWT someplace else makes picking up a language 
> difficult. Not only that but as a Java Instructor I can simply point to 
> the Sun java & javax library sets available and say here is something 
> that can do that. In Suns case it may not do it well but its there.
> 

I boggles the hell out of me every time someone comes and complains that 
there are more than one standard library. I have never had that problem 
and I can attest to you that my programming experience pales in 
comparison to anyone on this newsgroup. There has only ever been one 
standard library. Tango and its predecessor "Mango" was created because 
patches submitted to Phobos were not readily implemented. But instead of 
sitting around and complain about it, people actually took a positive 
step to address the situation. It grew into what it is today because the 
creators believe in what they are doing and continue to develop their 
product. Of course, a good following (aka user base) is always a morale 
booster. But if I recall correctly, the Tango Team has never claimed 
that they are the standard and Walter has never endorsed it as the 
"Other Standard". Don't get me wrong, it is a damn good library and 
could easily become the standard. But as I sit here typing this message 
it is most definitely not a standard.

This is plain asinine. Most, if not all complaints of this sort claim 
that new users are hampered because the website is badly designed, there 
are two standard libraries, there is no IDE, debugging support is 
nonexistent or under par and the list goes on and on. As a novice 
programmer, I’m here to tell you that these claims do not apply to 
people who really want to learn the language. I really doesn’t even 
require you to understand what you are doing to learn this language. 
I’ve ported the Mersenne Twister on two separate occasions (both 
original and SIMD versions) to D, and while I learned a little more 
about D in the process of doing so, I still do not understand a whole 
lot about programming. The amazing thing about this is that I learned 
and did it all without any documentation other than the D website, the 
source code, and asking a few questions here and there. My debugger was 
me, my IDE was first notepad then I upgraded to UltraEdit because the 
job paid for it. I used the only standard library D has: Phobos.

I've been able to do in D what I still cannot do in C++ which has only 
one "STANDARD LIBRARY" and thousands of volumes of books dedicated to 
explaining its every intricate detail. I've spent in excess of $5000 
dollars to learn C++ and still cannot do in it what I can do in D on 
which I've spent $0. Sorry, make that $10 since I did buy "Learn to 
Tango with D". The language is not that difficult to learn especially if 
you are a novice and have no preconceived ideas about what programming 
should be. For those who come across with preconceived ideas, the site 
provides enough to explain differences between D and C, D and C++, D and 
JAVA and so on… To me, that is all you should require if you are an 
experienced programmer.

Yes, bells and whistles can make easier. But is that truly a 
showstopper? I don’t think so.

Regards,
Andrew