OT: on IDEs and code writing on steroids

[BCS]

Hello Jussi,

> BCS Wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever tried building a c# project without an IDE?
>> 
> Yes.
> 
>> I don't even know if it can be done.
>> 
> It is actually very easy to do:
> 
> http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2518

Um, Step 1. OK. Step2. OK. Step 3. Yup, no longer practical. If that's what 
it take, you have just proven my point to my satisfaction. D can be built 
with no non-code files C# can't. I'll tolerate something like make but nothing 
like that .proj file. 

>> Yes you can trigger a build from the command line, but setting up a
>> project without it would require hand editing of XML (yuck) and the
>> build tool IS visual studio.
>> 
> It is true that Visual Studio creates XML project/solution files and
> the contents of these files is overly complex.
> 
> But these XML files are Visual Studio specific and a lot of their
> complexity comes from the fact that they contain extra information
> that is only needed by the IDE.
> 
> If you use the MsBuild approach the amount of XML that is needed to
> create a project/solution is much smaller and in general the XML is
> fairly trivial.
> 

Smaller than huge and fairly trivial in comparison to what? The only people 
who are going to do this (c# w/o someones IDE) are 1) people forced both 
to use c# and to not use an IDE or 2) the same kind of people who run OSX 
on an Xbox ( :-O  Oh my, someone actually did that, I didn't known: http://www.forevergeek.com/2005/06/os_x_for_the_xbox/ 
) because they like thumbing their nose at the big guys.