thank's ddmd !

[Travis Boucher]

Bill Baxter wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Travis Boucher
> <boucher.travis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Denis Koroskin wrote:
>>> Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently
>>> has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:
>>>
>>>> I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work,
>>>> but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the moment is
>>>> with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos interacts
>>>> with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between druntime and
>>>> phobos).
>>>> Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for
>>>> ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.
>>> You can join the project, too, developing is not hard at all. No special
>>> knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforward
>>> process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need help
>>> to get yourself started.
>> I have pretty much given up on D2 until it is finalized, and development
>> focus changes from specifications to library & compiler implementation and
>> enhancements.  I think this will be the best time (for me) to get involved
>> in the process.
>>
>> Unfortunately for me (and possibly others) I got into D at a really shitty
>> time.  The language itself is in a state of flux (at least for D2).  So I am
>> changing my own focus on application development with D1, which I am sure
>> will be around for quite a while before D2 gets community acceptance.
> 
> Having been around here for a few years, I have to say you don't know
> what you're talking about.  Things are actually looking better for D
> than they have for years.  You may find that revelation more scary
> than inspiring but here's why I say so: End of D2 work is in sight.
> The reference compiler can be re-built by anyone from source now.  D
> sits atop a runtime which can be used by any library that wants to
> participate.  Both Walter and now Don are bug-fixin' machines.  QtD is
> usable (from what I understand).   All good stuff.
> 
> So yeh, if you get started writing an app in D2 now you may have to
> make some changes, but if you're only starting now, then you won't
> have much source code that needs changing to keep up.  TDPL is due out
> first half of next year, and there shouldn't be too many major changes
> to D2 after that.  Furthermore, if you start writing serious D2 code
> now, your input will have considerably more weight than someone who's
> only looking at it on paper.
> 
> But if you're really under tight deadline pressure or something, then
> probably D1 (or Python, or C#) would be a better choice.
> 
> --bb

I am new to the language, so I don't know what I am talking about in a 
larger context, I can only go by my first impressions.  If my first 
impressions are "this is a bad time to get into D2", you can only 
imagine the view of people who are use to 
shiny-polished-one-click-install toolchains.

The perception of newcomers to a language really say alot about the 
language.  If it is more work to setup a development environment for a 
language then it is to code in the language(s) it aims to replace, then 
the language is doomed to be an enthusiast language forever.

I am not saying this perception or the state of the language will stay 
as it is, I'm just trying to say that the language will not be taken 
seriously until things get organized properly and things get polished 
and shiny.  It seems that D is pretty much a one man show with a small 
following that chimes in when they have a chance.

What D needs is an organized group of people who share a common interest 
and have equal voice in steering the direction of the language.  It does 
not have that now, but I have high hopes this will change sometime in 
the near future.