The DUB package manager

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On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 at 09:55:30 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:
> So do you.
>
> There, that was constructive ;)

Well, at least I have tried both of approaches, both as user and 
as maintainer. I really can't understand how you can state that 
OS package managers do not work if you have not even tried 
packaging.

> Don't twist my words around. I never said anything about not 
> learning
> the OS package manager.
>
> The issue is, if I'm going to do the same thing on multiple 
> systems,
> there's no reason it can't be doable the same way, and there's 
> no
> benefit to having it be completely different.

Why it is the issues? Obsession with "same way" is as harmful, in 
my opinion, as obsession with being cross-platform. You always 
want to take care about OS specifics, why hide them anyway? There 
is no benefit in using same command everywhere.

> So yea, I could install DMD, for example, a totally different 
> way on
> different systems, but why should I when I can just do "dvm 
> install
> xxxxx" on *all* the systems?

Because you can be somewhat certain then that dependencies are 
taken care of right, file location does not interfere with your 
filesystem layout, no garbage will be left upon uninstall etc. 
Because it is a waste of resources to implement a new mature 
package manager for each new language when one already exists for 
target platform.

> And to top it off, imagine trying to do that as part of a bigger
> script.

Build scripts that install stuff instead of you are evil. This 
bigger script should provide dependency list you or your package 
manager can take care of. Irrational coupling of functionality is 
evil, too.

> Why do you prefer making extra work for yourself? Some 
> puritanical
> ideal of "If I'm on x OS I *have* to use the stuff that only
> works there"? And don't tell me it's because you don't want to 
> have
> to learn a few extra trivial commands, because you're doing 
> *plenty* of
> complaining here about how completely ridiculous you think it 
> is to
> avoid learning a few more easy commands. (Nevermind that you're 
> also the
> only one who's actually objected to having to learn commands, 
> in the
> same post nonetheless.)

You rarely learn something just because you can (unless you have 
a lot of spare time). There should be some benefit, some reason. 
Especially when this news stuff does something that is already 
perfectly done by existing and known stuff. Especially when this 
new stuff attempts to hide from you something that you really 
need to take care of.

> If you're just going to resort to obvious hyperbole, there's no 
> point
> in dealing with you.

It is an analogy, not hyperbole and I am quite serious about it. 
Personal insults does not help.