Qt Creator and D

[PauloPinto]

On Friday, 20 September 2013 at 07:16:09 UTC, Manu wrote:
> On 20 September 2013 14:53, F i L <witte2008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...
>
>  It requires support from various stages in the pipeline and 
> gui, but it's
>>> been available for a decade from MS. Surely someone else has 
>>> bothered to
>>> copy it? (assuming it was invented by MS?)

This type of workflow already existed in non C languages before.

Microsoft just brought them into C land.

> ...
>
> Mmmm, a concept that I've always found completely amazing 
> actually. How is
> it that Linux - truly an OS for developers (certainly not for 
> end-users) -
> can consistently be plagued by the worst dev tools out there?
> Surely someone in the past 30-40 years get's frustrated at some 
> stage,
> looks at what MS have been doing for over a decade, and think 
> "shit, that's
> awesome, I'd like that too!".
> I'm actually amazed that MS managed to invent it in the first 
> place. You'd
> think that Linux should have gotten to it first...


Because many still use the system as we were back in the 70's and
UNIX System V was the latest version.

Even though we have nice GUIs since the mid-80's.


>
> In Gabe Newell's recent talk at LinuxCon, he mentioned Valve is 
> interested
>> in make Linux a more friendly environment for game developers. 
>> To that end,
>> they're working on two different C/C++ debuggers (one for 
>> LLVM, I forget
>> the other) and I'm guessing they wouldn't feel the need to do 
>> that unless
>> they where unhappy with the current situation compared to what 
>> developers
>> expect from Windows. Hopefully their efforts are fruitful in 
>> the near
>> future.
>>
>
> I agree, I'm really looking forward to what they bring to the 
> table. I
> expect it's a lot of work though... they have over a decade of 
> catching up
> to do.

There are nice debuggers, like TotalView for example.

But proprietary software is evil. :)


>
> I've been using Linux and FOSS tools for nearly two years now, 
> and I'm
>> surprised I'd never heard about KDevelope until only a few 
>> months ago. It's
>> a great IDE with a lot of nice features (even has 
>> Sublime-style text
>> overview) and I hope D gets more attention from the KDev/Kate 
>> teams in the
>> future.
>>

KDevelop and KDE always suffered a big push back from Linux and 
BSD developers, because of their C++ roots.

Back when I did a few contributions to GTKmm, the GNOME community 
used to ostracize the project because it was being done in C++.  
There used to exist a few big C vs C++ flamewars back then

KDevelop was always seen as an IDE for KDE developers, nothing 
else.

I always got the feeling C++ was better received by developers 
targeting commercial UNIX systems, than the ones living in 
BSD/Linux land.

--
Paulo