DIP74 - where is at?

[Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d]

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 04:56:25 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 04:35:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
> wrote:
>> On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 04:16:11 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>>> If we go these DIP road, there is no coming back and this 
>>> will get in the way of a principled approach.
>>
>> Then come up with an alternative DIP which shows a better way 
>> to solve this. As it stands, it looks likely that we'll end up 
>> with some form of DIP 74, and if you have a better proposal, 
>> then now is probably the time to do it.
>>
>
> I have, other have as well, in fact there was a lengthy 
> discussion in private between Walter, Andrei, myself and some 
> other where very precise proposal has been made.
>
> I'm sorry but that's bullshit. I'm tired of reexplaining the 
> same thing again and again while is it clear that nobody cares 
> about facts here. If people would care about facts, the DIP25 
> fiasco would have been enough to put the ideas back on the 
> table.

Well, if they won't listen, they won't listen. And if they're 
wrong, we'll be worse off for it. Unfortunately, I wasn't 
involved in those discussions and haven't looked into DIP 25 much 
(I was too busy at the time of the major discussion for it IIRC). 
So, I'm not familiar enough with it to have a properly informed 
opinion. But convincing Walter and Andrei is typically pretty 
difficult. They do come around eventually at least some of the 
time though. So, as frustrating as such discussions can be, they 
do bear fruit at least some of the time (whether it's by them 
convincing you or by you convincing them). And since DIP 25 has 
only been implemented with a flag rather than adding it to the 
language proper yet, there's still time to convince them before 
we're fully committed to it - as difficult as convincing them may 
be.

- Jonathan M Davis